Yes he did, he also signed, Tansey, Sharpe, Westerman, gave Briscoe and Lyne their chances, has been trying to mix youth and experience at a steady pace while also trying to meet the fans expectations of a top 6 finish. Did you not get what you wanted last season? Surely this year is about progressing from there but accepting other clubs have progressed too so these last minute set backs have really hurt your chances of a top 6 again?

Fact is, you bring in a new coach now, they are stuck with the same players having to play them out of position until the end of this season when the new coach will sign around 5 or 6 new players who will then time to gel and at the end of that season it will be all over the press how great it is to have a full off season together...etc So your initial "lets get rid of Agar" becomes another 3 years of nothingness at least and what is to say the coach you want is out there available at a price your salary cap can cater for?

All this while you could be supporting Agar and giving him more than one game before getting all over his back. You was the same with Kear, he did wonders with your lot and a few losses and your board were "oh the fans want him out lets get rid" maybe this time they have learnt that fans do not always know best!!!

I don't think Agar can take the team any further than where we're at now. The sooner he realises this , The better for the club. A big defeat on Friday and I would say he should be 30% on his way out.

Ok so REALISTICALLY who would you as fans bring in to coach the team? Do you replace the whole set up or just Agar, he doesnt do it all on his own now does he?

What then do you expect this new coach to bring to the table? Who is available for that coach to bring in and improve your team for 2011? Are you happy to fail this season with a new coach in early so he can rebuild ready for 2012 or would you expect a huge turn around from this new coach?

Can your salary cap afford to pay off Agar along with paying another coach a full years salary this year? Would this extra strain on the salary cap mean the new coach couldn't bring in a player that could turn around your season?? Or do you expect Agar to just walk in to job centre with no such pay off?

I'd rather Hull made an appointment before the end of the season . With room on the cap to bring in some quality for 2012 ,It would give more time for the new coach to sign who he wants and study the team .

Sharp gave Briscoe his debut at Hull. Tansey proved to be a poor signing, he had problems at Leeds with discipline and Agar could not rectify those problems. Westerman has previous with drinking etc and is a risky signing, especially when you consider the hefty price tag attached. Sharp is a good signing and i think he will go well at the club, if he is given chances.



The players are mainly being played out of position because Agar deems that it is better to move 4 or 5 players out of position to fill one spot. Yet other clubs have faith in their reserves to step in and play in their preferred position.
Also the coach has nothing to do with the salary cap.





Agar has had 3 years to sort this out. He had HIS team last season and showed he really has not moved the team forwards. Yes we finished higher than previously, but when you consider the players brought in and our previous position, it was hardly a tough job. Do we just keep burying our heads in the sand in the hope he might eventually get things right?

In my opinion I believe that should the team loose heavily on Friday night, then he should go @ once, but based on previous/similar Heavy loses I do not think that it will happen. I think that Richard Agar has taken the team as far as he can.

Wait... you think the coaching staff's wages count on the salary cap? And I thought you were doing quite well for a while there

Good post mate.

I think we have a good side and it's upto Agar to get the best out of them, he needs to start picking the right side which means Westerman at 13. I think if he goes with the side below we can mount a good challenge this season.

Phelps
Briscoe
Yeaman
Whiting
Sharp
Horne
Long
O'Meeley
Houghton
Radford
Tickle
Manu
Westerman

Fitz (prop)
Moa
Hame
Obst

You've posted some really good points on here. I said before the season began that if Agar couldn't improve us from last year's finish then he should go. If it gets to the point where we can see ahead that we wont be top 6 then if he goes in advance fine by me. Two things disappoint me at the moment ..

1. In yesterday's game our defence was pathetic. We defended OK last year - could have been better but not bad nonetheless. Yesterday we were an embarrassment. It overshadowed some much better work with the ball in hand which is a shame.

2. The acrimony and vitriol against the club by many on here does not, in my opinion, take into account the big progress made last year. Sure we didn't pull up any trees and all in the garden certainly isn't rosy but we were in the top 5 for the vast majority of the season which is better than Morgan achieved. That isn't a pop at Rovers whatsoever it just seems as though Morgan is every Hull fans yardstick so I'll join in. We won the derbies 2-1 last year - yes I know we lost the knockout but we were doing it tough by then. I've read on here that "we've been the same for
3 seasons under Agar" but the facts totally dismiss that argument. Facts are things that some on here struggle with.

In summary - we should never have slipped back as far as we did 3 years ago. We maybe shouldn't be taking as long to get back as we are. If the Head Coach takes us backwards this year, or even looks like he might then he should carry the can. But after 1 game and the progress that was made last year there's too much moaning and negativity. Just the thoughts of one fan - as someone once said.

Totally agree with that team Paul, it is the side I would go with and believe it will be the side that (injuries permitting) shocks a few of these Agar critics with a different brand of RL that should see them finish 4/5th quite comfortably again.

Provided Agar opicks the right side, I doubt he will though he will leave Fitz at 13 which is a mistake. Westerman sould be playing the full 80 and not on the bench.

It's not the brand or rugby per se that worries me - I think the 'boring tactics' have been way overstated by some and in any case we showed some flashes of real improvement in attach yesterday. What concerns me a lot is our defence and discipline. No matter how good a side we may be able to put out we'll get nowhere unless we can defend and not give away possession with stupid penalties.

Agree...yet he decided to flog Fitz for 80 mins, and even though we lack creative players he keeps playing a forward as a looseman

Hit the nail on the head there.

If it was a bad day at the office and defence improves to the standard showed for most of last year this really willbe a decent season for you.

However any side giving away silly penalties like yesterday will be giving the other side 12 points start each game and that is the major concern.

I am pretty sure they will get it right, the players are too good and too experienced to perform as poorly as they did yesterday very often.

Hope you are right, we certainly have plenty of talent and an awesome pack!

Now that is the most sensible post so far today paul, if the club make any direction changes it has to be in the off season.. the way the franscise works means we dont have to panic change.
HOWEVER we are only one match into a long season , no panic yet by a long long way

Then don't read it?



Really?
I have seen zero evidence that that will happen.

You cant help but read it, the board is full of the tripe I refer to.

If you have seen zero evidence that the side can play I would suggest you were late getting to your seat yesterday then?

I have seen the odd signs that the side can play last season, and the season before.

Agar still has not got it right.

Ok, well I will bow down to your far superior knowledge of the game and just keep quiet from now on.

In fact I might even pee off back to what I am supposed to be doing and return in a few hours with a new username and on the Quins board where I have much more fun and enjoy the debate.

Goodbye

I like your other name better

You're not nick agar by any chance are you?

He's out of his depth and lacks the gravitas a club of our standing deserves.

Looking at the fixture list he needs a good win ratio by Easter. If we are struggling and should we then go out of the Cup at the first stage (again) the board may have no option.

Having just checked the operational rules of the salary cap it does appear that I was mistaken however I was sure that the head coach's salary did used to count on the cap. Not sure if the rules have changed or if it was just wrong advice but it came from somewhere!!!

I see nobody has named someone they think is a realistic target and what that coach could bring to the club?! Seems people are happy moaning but have no answers!

I think if you read all the board you will see the majority would be happy with Nobby and have discussed what he could bring!