Super League Tackle of the Season according to Gration/Sinfield today on the SL show.

Add Tansey to that list too.

He makes a lot of errors, but isnt dropped as rapidly as Hall.

Oops. Little bite there.

Thank fook were all on the same side.

What are you on about? Did customs have to search you?



There were people wanting the same treatment for Tom as Craig Hall, you included. Difference is, Hall could never make a tackle like that.
People were calling for Tom's head earlier on in the season and he has truly shut them up.

You are right, but TBF not many players in SL could have made that tackle.

How odd. I'm the one with jet lag and you're the one with comprehension problems.


No. People were pointing out that Tom Briscoe didn't get the same treatment as Craig Hall when he made mistakes. I can't speak for everyone else but I personally wanted Hall to get the same treatment as Briscoe, not the other way around.

I honestly can't recall more than one poster calling for Briscoe's head, but feel free to prove otherwise. Or admit you made that bit up. Your choice.

I remember quite a few moaning about Briscoe, tbf.

There's a difference between moaning about him and calling for his head. I remember posts about his problems under the high ball (which he seems to have addressed) and I remember the comparisons between his apparent immunity from criticism and the treatment Craig Hall got. I don't remember numerous or vociferous calls for him to be dropped or released.

Admit it, you ordered a gangland-style hit on him which was only foiled because Agar and Whiting heard from a snout that one of the Fev mafia was in trouble.

Briscoe, rightly in my opinion, is treated as a senior player now in terms of selection. International as a teenager, 5 year deal at the club and along with Houghton the best prospect at the club and a player absolutely key to long term planning. Agar is therefore not going to drop him on the back of a couple of poorer games provided he is addressing the issues at training (and we hear that Briscoe is a very good trainer).
Hall is treated IMO like other fringe players, Burnett for example, Washbrook (who Agar said would have dropped out this weekend had Fitz been available), Turner (who's been dropped during the season on the basis of form) and Whiting. When selected, Turner and Whiting have (to use one of Agar's favourite phrases) "earned the right" to figure in the 17. Hall, Burnett and Washy haven't quite and therefore aren't automatic picks.

So "senior" players shouldnt be dropped then?

You can be as pedantic about what people actually said as you want. What I'm actually saying is that people called for Briscoe to be dropped like Craig Hall was. Briscoe offers more than Hall ever will and should be treat differently, same with Tansey.
Why are you so quick to jump on the Zebras back and now mine? Are you still bitter about the Craig Hall situation?

Did you even read her post properly?

Treat differently?

Thats a no go for a start and this isnt me wanting Hall in the team...are you saying that certain players should be above being dropped?

Not at all. What I'm saying is that there are core members of the team who have proven class and are automatic picks - O'Meley, Fitz, Long, Manu, Tickle etc. If Tickle has a couple of bad games, I think most would agree he deserves longer than that to recover before he's dropped on the basis of runs on the board etc. If you chop and change on a weekly basis the team has no stability at all. IMO there's a core set of players who are "automatic" selections (but with a limit - Berro's been back from injury 5 weeks or so and I saw the case for dropping him) and then some who are not in the first choice 17 if everyone is fit. These players aren't in the first choice 17 for a reason - they're not as good as the first choice 17. Therefore, when the get the opportunity, they [uhave[/u to deliver to retain their place. My point is that of players in that group, Turner, Whiting and Houghton in particular have seized their chance with performances to push them into the 17. Burnett, Hall and Washy haven't.

a fringe play who has a bad game probably should be dropped. An established player who is doing quite well in the team, makes a few errors or costs us the game maybe should be given a chance. Would brazil have dropped pele for having a bad game?

Treating everybody the same is a nice, romantic idea. Rarely gets results though. If Fitz has a couple of off games would you drop him? No, because he's an important part of the team, and what they do. It's ludicrous to want Hall treat the same as O'Meley, Fitz, Long, Tickle, Radford etc.

If you freeze frame that moment (if your nerves can stand it) there are three Rovers players clear on the right.There looks no way on earth that anybody is going to stop a certain try.

I disagree...if a player is in a run of bad form he should be left out NO matter who they are or birthplace

...im not advocating week in week out changes but just say when all props are fit and Dowes is left out and O'Meley is struggling for form for some reason...Dowes knows he wont get dropped and it just sends out the wrong signals.

Who was the last player dropped from senior players for form??????

Who was last player dropped full stop...Hall and Whiting earlier...Tansey was discipline.

I never mentioned Hall...all players should be treat the same or else it could breed unrest in the club......i personally wouldnt put fitz back in on fri,not at 13 anyway,we looked more better with Washy there and im not his biggest fan.

And I'm actually saying that they didn't. Apart from one. I've invited you to prove your assertion but so far you have declined to do so.


I don't like it when people make stuff up and claim it as fact.

And I've never been bitter about Hall.

PS - Zebra already admitted to just being on a wind up mission. That seems to have gone way over your head.

When was Whiting dropped? He's played one game from the bench and started every other, hasn't he?

Agar was intelligent enough not to consider dropping Tom after a couple of indifferent games.
Certain posters, and I honestly don't know or particularly care who, were indeed calling for exactly that.
Class is permanent, and he has it in abundance, glad we all agree.

My guess would be he means when Tansey came back in? Maybe?

Think he only went to the bench for that game though.