Do coaches drop the ball? Give away silly penalties? Not reach touch with a penalty?
Coaches make a difference in terms of preparation and management, once the players cross the white line it is up to them. Given we had about 8 opportunities, scored 4 tries and individuals choosing the wrong options at key times cost us on the other occasions. Don't think there was anything wrong with our plays we just didn't have field position due again to silly errors.

Why lock the thread? People have opinions about Agar and the team. Let them let off steam. I'm as gutted as anyone with that result but I'll wait until the next game to see if we can bounce back. The players need a bo11ocking tonight. That's Agars job

I thought this Moore was supposed to be some kind of 'super' assistant coach, surely he has a say in things?

Don't bite, it really is pointless.

I am happy 4 wins from 6, we are on the right track hopefully we will respond well next week, if posters react like this to every loss then it is going to be a long season

It's just two planks, making themselves look ridiculous.

And I don't know about you but I could use a laugh right about now.

So, who comes in for Agar should we get rid?

Honestly folks is the Agar out call after 2yrs of underperformance anymore of a knee jerk than the blind faith support after 4 wins in 6?

Even the finest of B&W glasses cant accuse the Agar out brigade (of which i am one) of not giving the guy time, In any other business a manager's record as poor as his would be questioned, so why not agar's on a hull fc forum.

Ah, wondered how long it would be before the old "in any other kind of business" line came out.

4 wins out of 6 is a good start in my book, we've played Saints, Hudds and Wigan.

and in my book the same coaching weaknesses remain, as i said is it any more knee jerk. I see the first comments from those who attended claim Shambles ......

This may come as a shock but the post refers to the players who were Shambles

Ok so it was Agar's fault we lost was it?

If we had won would Agar have deserved the credit?

If not, why not?

At what point is it acceptable to think that agar is not up to the job? Not saying he isnt, I am as yet undecided. I know this is his first season with his team, but this is certainly not a knee jerk reaction, to one defeat, it has been brewing for well over a year.

You do realise with some people if hull win its the players but if we lose its agars tactics

When I looked at the fixtures preseason I thought if we get to the rovers game with 10 points i'd be happy and we're still on for that. Agar's not the first coach to take a team to Wigan and come away with nothing the important thing is how we respond next week against Bradford.

Yes, that's the point I was trying to make.

unfortuately for all of us thats a debate we dont have to worry about tonite

do you agar out idiots sit in wait for the first signs of making a total 2@ of yourselves...shut up and lets see how the season pans out ffs

Indeed. We are where I'd expected us to be, with the St Helens and Crusaders results both going against prediction.

I'm not a fan of Agar but for people to call for his head after six games - especially with four wins - is pathetic. It's interesting that the last two big wins were down to the likes of Fitz and O'Meley yet tonight's defeat is Agar's fault. That is sport, I guess.

I agree with that Major. Wigan away was always a bonus if we won but the manner of defeat is disappointing but then again it is all down to how we respond next week. Every team will have bad days its those that react positivily that will do well.

As i see it so far only two of us have called for Agar's head, yet there were plenty more heaping credit of the players last week, some of which have called me a plank & a 2@ tonite, I am happy to debate the merits of Agar with anyone but lets be consistent in our debate

I'd called earlier in the week for us treat the build up for this game as a massive game for us but we looked lethargic. Even without the penalties were totally dominated in the forwards. I actually don't think Wigan were that good tonight but they didn't need to be. Is it agars job to make sure the players are up for it? I'd say yes. Our defence was a shambles especially out wide and Hall is definately not a winger he was caught out so often.

seems to be the two extremes on here. people defending agar vigorously and others attacking agar with some force. I am somewere in the middle. Expected us to lose tonight but the manner was dissapointing. Agars gameplan looked pretty decent but spilling balls and silly penalties are never helpful in carrying your gameplan through the game. If it was one man rugby I would be more concerned, but we are certainly alot better than last season.
In a sentence

Just one of those nights

I am sure Browny would laugh at such an offer but if not you better have a very very very big cheque book!!!

Why would Browny leave a team he got to 3rd in the league, to a Challenge Cup Final, won team of the year, coach of the year and has MOS amongst it's ranks.

If and when he does go I think it will be back to the land down under TBH.

PS: ATEOTD the season is only 6 games old and as your result proves, every team this season are capable of beating each other.

why would he laugh at the offer? maybe he is waiting for the chance to coach a big club?