We've just got a lot of players who aren't good enough

We've gone from having players like ellis minchello manu in our pack not that long ago to players like fash Griffin and lane

Even savelio isn't close to them players at their best

Smith and Pearson now have a great chance to get rid of the deadwood that are out of contract

But question is will he ? Cause worry is I can see a fair few getting new deals

Quite easily, pound for pound, the worst hull side I’ve seen in my 20 years of watching them.

I think it sums up that 20 of them are OOC and they genuinely don’t look interested in earning a new contract, not that I’d want to keep them anyways, but at least some effort and desire.

Lovodua simply isn’t a half back, I sympathise with him to a degree that he’s been asked to do a job he simply can’t do but even his defence is poor. I never thought I’d be desperate for McNamara to be fit but here we are…

Really wanted Tex to do well here, and he still might, but he just seems like a young lad who wants to go back home. And in all honestly I couldn’t blame him. Shame about his injury, and hopefully nothing too serious, but it may spark the reshuffle in our spine we need.

Seeing quite a few posts showing sympathy towards AP and the DJ, mine only stretches so far, they were happy to sign up some of these clowns to their deals at the time. They are not rugby people who started to get involved in rugby decisions. Their naive approach to not replacing Motu Tony is what has found us in the position we are in and they only have themselves to blame for where we are.

To sum up, we are big time screwed, bleak times when you’re watching out for Wakey’s result each week…

Three Pigeons for second half with a few others who had baled.
We got the landlord to turn it off with 20 to go...........

Find the Hoy bashing mental too.

Most games he's been our top carrier, metre maker, tackle buster pretty much every game hes played in.

He was very good in the Cas and Leeds games. Even the Saints game.

Seens like he's bonaires new poster-boy.

Not seen the game, bur Hoys stats look good, but his effort on Drinkwater was poor. Rovers fans seem to have a weird obsession with him. Think he will come good, particularly if the pack starts to play.

Their first 4 trys, 2 of them were from really good kicks which are hard to stop, a poor miss from Lovodua and a drop ball.

We’re going to have to ride this out with the players we have, as just dropping young players into a struggling team will just do more harm than good.
This isn’t Smiths first rodeo, and if anyone thinks that he is calm and passive behind the scenes then they’re deluded.
Also our great pack and team of 2016 didn’t have a great start. They had to lock the coach out of the dressing room, and come from 20 points down in a derby to kick start that particular season.
Difference is then we had leaders on the field. Now there aren’t any.
This must be Smiths most difficult job yet?

Wait? You've got 20 players off contract?

Did Pearson not see warrington last year with 15 off contract?

Rovers fans will constantly bring up his comment pre season about striving for top 4 or to win the league, and make fun of it.
I don't understand why. Every single team in the league, Wakefield included, are trying to finish top 4.
We've been absolute awful. Doesn't mean we wasn't ever trying to get top 4.

Disgusted with some of the abuse aimed at Hoy.
As you say, he was very good against Cas and Leeds and his stats speak for themselves.

People seem to forget that these guys are human beings and some of the vile things that have been said are completely out of order.

He's 23 who has moved to the other side of the world and i don't think people realise what a big change it is for these people.

I think it includes a handful of kids from the extensive fringes of their squad. But they do have a lot of experienced, more recognisable players OOC as well.

According to the HDM didn’t Tex say something along the lines of “ Rovers wouldn’t win a Derby whilst he was at FC”. Which if he did say that it was a very silly thing to say about any club.

Yes, the list is:

Adam Swift, Ligi Sao, Danny Houghton, Chris Satae, Andre Savelio, Brad Fash, Joe Lovodua, Joe Cator, Kane Evans, Cam Scott (one-year option), Ben McNamara, Connor Wynne (one-year option), Mitieli Vulikijapani (one-year option), Josh Griffin, Denive Balmforth, Jamie Shaul, Scott Taylor, Brad Dwyer, Kye Armstrong, Jude Ferreira.

I completely agree, and while I'll be there Good Friday, it could be our bleakest day since the 42-6 Cooke inspired Rovers hammering of us. We just look half hearted, hardly fit and with no playbook. I know that it is hard to be up for a job knowing you are getting fired but no sportsman I have ever known has ever not played for their own pride. This team are not top six material, we all knew that and that it would be a hard year, but I never imagined it would be this bad. I just hope they can have an honest review and own their pathetic displays with a view to actually trying against Rovers. That is all we have asked of them and what they owe themselves and the fans.

I had hoped we'd have kept Sao and Satae, both have been our best forwards for the last two seasons, but Ligi isn't showing anything and big Chris has been a shadow of what he was , even when we were getting hammered, he was a standout. Motu Tony has offered to help the club and I seriously hope we take him up on that offer, he signed some great players for us when he was the Football Manager and he will know some young guns that would jump at a chance to showcase their skill in SL.I thought Balmforth would have been given a shot, Danny Houghton is clearly a year too old and I hope we have Mitch on the wing against Rovers , as McIntosh needs taking out of the pressure for a while to help him regain his confidence, poor kid looks lost some times and it cannot be good for him, mentally, to be always called out.If Wynne has sorted his issues out, I'd keep him for a year but of the rest, Andre Savelio and Dwyer would be the only ones worth a punt, in my opinion.

Mcintosh hasn't been selected for the past 3 games. He's played for the reserves last couple of outings. That's his level imo.

How we need an Ellis type of player right now to lead from the front . Someone to inspire those around him .

JWH would be perfect

He'd be a start for sure ,Add a big second row in there also .

+1 on the criticism Hoy is getting. Turnstile Tex is doing just fine, and long may it continue. Gutted that he’s out next week, I suspect tactical after seeing abdulls kicks Friday night.

Hoy is safe under a high ball

I’m sure Hoy’s played against plenty of players who can kick a ball dead high & hope for the best.

Hasn’t played against a halfback that’s currently took 3 MOS points in every game that hes played the full 80 in this season though. Not bad for a player who can only kick a ball high and hope for the best. Thanks again for Abdull. Litten, Hodgson, Hadley, etc etc etc. All free of charge

What have those players ever actually won you?

Thanks for Kelly, and the Challenge Cup he brought us.

FYI, Litten will be back at Hull next year. So thank you in return for that.

You are just showing your ignorance about the value and skill in kicking. Its importance is recognised by people in the game but not obviously by you. Still we know what lies behind your post. Hurt and frustration.