To be fair, it's only one really.

However there is plenty of over reacting going on. Just as we wasn't going to win the comp after the Hudds game, we're also not relegation material because of a narrow defeat at Salford.

Ahh, I see the lynch mob are out after just three games identifying their scapegoats. Brilliant. Where were you two weeks ago guys?

So, who needs to up their game after Salford? The team does. It's a team sport and our attitude as a team was poor, so all of them. I'm not really sure what identifying individuals and hammering them online will achieve? Players will make errors, it's how the team responds/recovers from those errors that really matters, and our response as a team, and adapting to what was infront of them should've been better.

Unfortunately, it seems this board/our club is infested with posters/supporters who are almost wanting a poor performance. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they want to see us win and do well like we all do deep down, but the rush & clamour to get themselves online to say 'I told you so' & spread the doom and gloom is nauseating & makes me feel sorry for them if they apply that negativity to every aspect of their lives.

No lynch mob here, just a reaction to people seeing the same old deficiencies that we saw last year despite new half backs, best pre-season ever, Radford gaining more experience yet the same same old same old with certain players not upping their game enough again when playing a lesser fancied side with a host of injuries. Not many blaming Radford either but most looking at which players under performed or are unable to maintain a decent level over the long term

It's not a reaction to people seeing the "same old deficiences".

It's a reaction from so called fans who couldn't wait for such a loss to start criticising everyone.

Some of our tries were the result of slick moves the like of which we haven't seen for years. Especially when the half backs were involved.

Not happy with the manner of the defeat but let's give the team a bit of time first before slagging them all.

We didn't defend well and that is the annoying part after the defence on show in the first 2 matches.

Having said that, however, BUT for a couple of decisions (Lineham's no try & the forward pass for their second) we would have won the game.

Talking about Linehams no try did anyone get a good view of the grounding and was it a try?

No lynch mob, ill state facts, weve improved slightly, BUT we needed to improve massively to do anything this season, another below par season awaits for me, as currently ive seen nothing to warrent us being in the top 6

Perhaps you could point out where 'everyone' has been criticised and the whole team 'slagged'? I must have missed it.

Spot on, same old issues of only getting up for the 'bigger' games, Good sides don't go from defending like your lives depending on it against Hudds and Wire to shipping 32 points a couple of weeks later.

Mmm, Wigan went from defending like there lives depended on it to shipping 22 at Rovers, after being well in front too.

They may have well upped their game against Brisbane Broncos but in the S.L. this year IIRC they let in 22 points against Widnes an 18 against bottom of the table Huddersfield.

Maybe they havent hit there straps yet wigan, but id bet good money theyll again finish higher than us with what is virtually a team full of kids

So you're saying they only get up for the 'bigger games' this year?

the game day 'attitude' has to come from the coach first and foremost, it's what he does to instil it certainly in the younger players or those that are fragile when under the cosh that matters most (that's pretty much 3/4 of the squad tbh).
We do have a decent squad, we do have the ability to play decent rugby & certainly make the top 8 IF we play to our potential..BUT a match is nothing like training, the attitude and demand mentally is completely different and it's clear that a large portion of the players just aren't able to bring what's needed to the table as regularly as is required. Radford isn't experienced enough in this area so I'm not anticipating any great change over the season in that dept.

I'd agree Yeaman needs a rocket up his but with the possibility of losing Michaels and Sa potentially going to be injured for more games than not he has to make the decision quickly as to what to do or it could be too late. If Michaels is available to play I say he has to play, if Shaul is back to FB then maybe try to shoehorn Rankin into the other centre slot..OR he plays one of the youngsters & just gives them a run of games to prove themselves..in many respects Radford has nothing to lose because Yeaman just isn't good enough and we could end up losing more games with him than playing a.n.other whom has a bit more zest/pace/intelligence.
However I'm just not seeing Radford dropping Yeaman at this moment in time, for him it's too big a gamble, but it's the gamble I think he has to take for his own sake.

As for props, well I said we were light numbers wise before the season started even with Green upping his game, is Green really not performing that well or is there something else in it? He has the size and athleticism so that must leave it to something else?

I know fans are saying it's only 3 games in but without a shadow of doubt after that performance there is little confidence amongst the fans and I would guess the players are feeling pretty downbeat too. Sport is like that and fans that are upbeat all the time need to appreciate that fans feed off the performances of the team and tbh that performance was woeful

When Watts signed he looked a good signing offloading the ball in the tackle regular, that skill seems to have disappeared.
His defence at times is very patchy.
Westerman, I don't understand the hype on him, where has his handling skills gone, should be stepping up these two.

Watts been our best prop this year and Westy our only international, but you carry on.

You are saying Westerman is playing at international level right now?? he's isn't doing too bad but for an international level player he's a bit short to be described as such right now and isn't at the level he reached last year..

Its all opinions!
I thought Westy would be more creative than he has been, he has showed flashes over the years but not consistent, I don't think he is International standard.
I am judging watts over the last few seasons, this season first two games fine then at Salford, missing tackles and going missing but as I say its peoples opinions.

Westerman will come good again. You see it all a time where players have dips in form after international games and he had a later start in pre season due to the OZ trip

Us as fans need to up our game tbf

Well Said That Man

Not a fan of Radford but to be judging after 3 games is ridiculous. Firstly the season had hardly started when there was a weeks break for the WCC, some teams perform better after a break and some struggle. Give the team at least 10 games before drawing conclusions.

Not quite the same though, is it? Firstly, Wigan went from conceding 2 to 4 tries, and an overall sequence of 4, 3, 2, 4 is fairly consistent anyway. Now I don't expect us to continue conceding only 1 every other game, but nor would I expect it to jump to 6 the week after, either. That's a much more marked decline and slightly worrying. Secondly, there's a bit of a difference in raising your game for what is essentially a cup final, and varying week to week depending upon the 'status' of the opposition.

Having said that, it's still early to be too despondent about it being another season of the same. I can understand why people might feel that way given recent history (I have an element of it myself), but for now there's still the chance (and hope!) that it was just an off day, and that they'll be reduced in regularity this year.

That's still wrong. You can argue that some of our props aren't good enough, but I don't really think you can make the remotest case that we don't have enough when we've had 5 players spell there so far and still have another 2 not getting a game.

It's hard to use your offloading game when typically there's no teammate within 10 yards when you're carrying the ball, though. We need to offer him options before pointing the finger there, IMO.

Fair point, backing up does seem a mystery to our club, yet it should be basics.