Recall that we finished that season with only 10 points, our lowest points total in the SL era, and quite possibly the lowest in our entire history?

The only goal we have in the remaining twenty games is to try to match that total, but I wouldn't put a single penny on it happening. It is impossible to back us in any game, and I include London away in that statement.

1999 was the most dispiriting campaign I've had to endure in my time watching the club, but this year is plumbing depths beyond even that traumatic season. Our only hope is to pray for divine intervention (unfortunately I'm strictly atheist!!).

More cards than Clintons, that lad.

Not won since August. 194 points shipped in four games. Not much to be said really.

Honestly think the club are done, won't e long until we are similar to Bradford, will only get worse, no money, so squad won't improve, many fans won't renew.

Great have these young players, but they will be picked off, for money or to play for a better side.

Can't see a way out or any positives right now, some young players, but they won't be here long if this continues and who can blame.

Don't even think it's down to the coach.

The tinkers culture plan

Sao should be sacked?
what about the tinker?

you could put just about anyone on this forum as head coach this seaon and they couldnt have done a worse job than Smith.
The players look like they are now trying to force him out

100% Wilf. I'm convinced AP is trying to claw back as much of his investment and will then bail. He lied to us all by stating we were spending up to the cap, when clearly we are not. 8k members bought that lie.

The kids won't save us, as talented as some of them are, they are probably two years away from SL starting spots. The seasons dead, can't see us winning five games.

Its depressing, I think back to 2016/17 and the Sydney trip, some of my best times supporting FC in 43 years, we have gone backwards every year since then. The ill discipline in the team on the pitch is dreadful and that comes from the coaching team. How on earth can you compete in a game with 12 men for 30 minutes?

I see nothing other than languishing in the lower reaches of Super League for the next few years until we lose our place to a club with ambitions.

In a desperate attempt to look for something (anything, however small) positive from yet another dispiriting afternoon:

The forwards (Ese and Pele particularly) did have moments when they ran with some vigour and purpose, looking like they meant it.
The energy level overall was better than in recent weeks, admittedly that is in comparison to displays which have veered close to comatose at various times over the past month!
We did show a touch more ambition in attack (if not exactly smooth and fluent) and, again, looked like we were at least half-interested in playing.

But even those minor aspects were cancelled out by a defensive display which in some ways was, if anything, even worse than the Leigh debacle! Utterly shambolic. We were all over the place on so many occasions with gaps so big you could have driven the proverbial three double-decker buses through them. Add to that some powder-puff tackling which wouldn't have stopped an under-nines team. We seem incapable of holding even the most basic of defensive lines, stuff that exists on page one of any RL coaching manual.

Sooner or later, at some point this year, we are going to meet a team (Wigan, Saints maybe) who don't put the cue on the rack at half-time, who don't spend the second forty minutes cruising along in first-gear, but who instead, relentlessly, remorselessly, keep going at full intensity for the full 80 minutes. In that instance, we will be staring at a 90+ point defeat with tries being scored against us every time the opposition have the ball.

One final point, about young Charles and Moy (poor lambs!). It was like watching a 15 year old with his younger 13 year old brother playing alongside him!! (they looked so small!!). They say police officers get younger, the older you get, but that's nothing on a bunch of rugby players who looked like they were waiting to go back to school on Monday after the Easter break!!

Highly valid.

We're all disappointed/frustrated because we want to compete at the upper-end.

Every club at the summit is owned by a fan/benefactor.

We have an owner that wants to profit from the club (which is absolutely fine and understandable) but S/L isn't that kind of sport.

Time to accept what we are and where we are with very little prospect for different.

Just arrived home after another 5 hour round trip.

Three positives today, Jack Charles, Logan Moy and the weather.

Well after the ‘Project’ and ‘Culture’ being spouted, Tony now mentioning ‘Taste’. For me, all three are awful. It only took 55 seconds to concede a try today. Other than the 10 minute bright patch immediately after, to be 10-40 down at half time to an average Huddersfield team is embarrassing.

That’s 4 successive thrashings now. Tony says we have to work hard in training. Well when are you going to start Tony, because we’ve been under cooked for a season and a half now? If he doesn’t resign, he is stealing a wage.

Pretty much on the money there. I actually can’t see us winning a game from now until the end of the season, let’s face it we were unbelievably lucky that London snatched defeat from the jaws a victory or we’d deservedly be on 0 pts.

There is no heart or desire out there and certainly little if any organisation or leadership.

The club is in a terminal decline sadly and it would appear Pearson isn’t interested in righting the ship.

Smacks of the bad days of uncle Kath who milked the club and fans for all she could for her and the shareholders. Makes you wonder why Pearson seems to decline the offers of investment despite him saying he otherwise. Quite frankly I’ve lost all respect for Pearson as he’s blatantly mislead fans to part with money and for what? To watch a team that is barely championship quality and refuses to communicate or even acknowledge the fans.

I love the club but enough is enough and blind loyalty has finally run out for me. It’s the dishonesty that is the killer blow above everything.

Bradford, Widnes and Halifax have all been RL Champions since our last title success (obviously we have had other cup success since) and all three have been languishing in the second-tier for a number of years, seemingly going nowhere very slowly.

It has happened before, a club sliding from grace, there is no reason why it can't happen again (either to ourselves or someone else) if circumstances conspire that way.

Personally, I think we either remain as a SL club or we cease to exist, at least as in our current incarnation. I have major doubts that we could stay a viable concern outside of SL in our current guise. It increasingly feels to me that we are at a crossroads with the continued existence of the club at stake.

We may survive, we may not. I would put our chances of staying in existence by the end of the decade as no more than 50/50 unless there are major changes with the way the club is being run.

Ligi Sao showed exactly what is wrong with the club’s culture today.

I was sat in the West Stand and at the end of the game I stayed behind to applaud Jack Charles and Logan May’s efforts. They were the last two coming off the pitch, graciously thanking the fans.

Then up the touchline walks Ligi Sao, after briefly seeing his family (no problem with that), he starts laughing and joking with a fan.

What an utter disgrace! Your team has just been thrashed again, 22-56 at home, you’ve received two yellow cards (3rd and 4th of the season) and you are laughing? You should be ashamed of yourself, you’ve just let your team mates, club and fans down and you obviously don’t give a s**t! You should be hurting, be ashamed and embarrassed, but instead you decide to have a laugh.

For me, that was a foul on Jake, the one that no one is mentioning is the immediate response by Sao that looked like a punch in the tackle on the Huddersfield player who received the pass. The second sin bin was rightly deserved too.

He’ll no doubt pick up yet another ban and presumably still expect to pick up his wages. This is a repetitive theme from Sao and he obviously doesn’t care about the Club or the fans that help pay his contract. That’s part of the cultural problem and after seeing him laughing, I’d be happy never to see him in a Hull shirt again.

The fans deserve better.

The problem is the stadium, its not affordable at Championship level so there's not the option of doing what Wakefield are doing right now had a clearout, regrouping and hoping to come back to SL stronger. And given Hull is isoloated in location theres not even a stadium we could move to short term to keep us ticking over.

That said the IMG system may still keep us alive. Even with a drop off of passholders and finshing bottom each year, SL are likely to still keep us in as there isnt a queue of strong alternatives in the Championship ready to replace us. Fev havs money problems and are in a small populated area, Odsal is a noose round Bradford's neck, the game is increasingly concerned about travel costs to France etc

The one thing that will keep the club going & attract ownership is US, the loyal & numerous fanbase.

However....... it is really tough to watch repeated defeats. The manner of them is frankly staggering - we aren't beginning to compete in the games, much less look like taking a game into the last quarter in touch, massive improvements needed to actually win again.

It is actually painful & depressing, not how I want to spend my weekends or money.

Men against boys today, just unfair on them. Charles does look a prospect, took some heavy blows today but came back for more. As others have said, the best will get poached by more successful clubs with cash to spend,

I do see effort. more than most on here BUT the defence is shambolic, most of their tries were walk ins & scored with complete ease. How hard can it be to keep a line intact & actually make a tackle stick ??

Green shoots ? struggling to see any without major investment & major changes on & off the pitch.

Unfortunately, that’s all it it to most of them, a laugh and a joke, it is going to make my blood boil over the next week seeing them plaster photos all over social media on the booze whilst sunning it up somewhere in the med.

Make no mistake about it we will not survive in the Championship because we will have no where to play. We'll never afford the Stadium under the current terms never mind the new contract due in three years. The club has always known under the old relegation format that we would never survive being relegated. We were told that at a fans forum years ago and again just before covid.

I dont know any of the squad personally and admittedly the times I see them out and about its on their 'down time' but when I have seen them over the last few years they come across like giggling schoolboys.

Ive not read Ellis' book yet but someone told me he comments that there is a bad 'banter' culture at the club.

think its quite clear Pearson is trying to claw back money for himself,,,before the season started we was told the club had signed the biggest sponsorrship deal and shirt deal irrc, add to the 8000 pass holders and merchandise sales of replica shirts alone, (the covid loan could have been cleared from any of those surely?).

Then move onto the playing squad, 12 departures at the end of last season including the 2 during, a few big earners on that list too i would assume, Taylor, Shaul, Satae, Griffin, Swift, Evans and Clifford with 7 new faces coming in, now if Pearson is claiming we are upto cap.....then he is either lying, which we all know he probably is, or the DJ needs sacking off for giving out ludricous contracts!

Agree, but the IMG system comes at a fortunate time, but the risk is with RL you can never guarantee what the format of the league will be for more than 5 minutes. In the last 15 years we've had licensing, promotion and relegation, super8s, and now licencing again.

Im still optimistic on the stadium deal though, the SMC dont have another 15 days worth of events to replace us with, for the council evicting a team supported by thousands and sending us to oblivion isnt a vote winner and for Hull City we currently add weight to their 'sporting village' plans

his agent had just told him hes got a extended contract

After the previous 50 pointer versus Huddersfield, they were all out on the lash in the old town, including Connor ! Think it was a Tag testimonial event but it still left a sour taste in my mouth.

Drinking culture ? lol
Are we Rick bottom ?
I’m going to see how much of the game I can handle on tv
It’s the young kids I want to see
Smith should be gone by Monday morning surely
We have Saints Leeds away and Wire next
Before the London game and after the 9 game barometer

Savelio is another not replaced.