Of course I do, I'm a season pass paying supporter who wants to see us play to our strengths, we have played terrible in execution but I'm pleased with our defence 90% of the time, I would have played Abdul In Westys absence, as for yeamo he gets the defensive part right 9/10 times, his attacking flair is very poor at times but we don't have an attacking centre who reads opposition attack like him so I see why he plays him in a fashion, if you look at sariginson for Wigan he gets it wrong a very lot in defence but gets the attack right & has pace outside of him, I think we carry more pivots on the bench because of our poor attacking style for more available options, our current performances are poor for several reasons, I see Houghton as a pit pony but lacks the smartness to spot/create we have an old head in Pryce who can get us where we want on the field but Sneyd needs to execute better with his kicks, Westy is the link to the fringes & when this happens with our first choice back rowers on we can do damage, when you get in the oppositions 20, the best 3 options are =1 score a try, 2 a back to back set, 3 turn it over in the 10 & be disciplined & defend for your life, try & force errors/ make them kick under pressure within their 30/40 , for some reason we haven't been doing this but if you watch them train you will see they work non stop on this, but for some reason they're not taking it into a game. But like I say when they do play with the strongest 17 we will click, we are winging some games with some squad players in, but the performances are scrappy, but me for one will take any 2 points we can take no matter how we play, no one remembers the decent performances like at home to wire, they just remember the 2points lost, & in a season with P & R with other decent teams after the same thing we need all we can get, so rather then bitch on here about any of our staff not just LR which changes nothing on the pitch, I turn up & support the cause I have since I was 13.

I have been to every game this season including friendlies and without doubt every away game has been a more enjoyable experience win or lose. Everyone has their opinion why we are not firing in offence ranging from the coach to players. Lets be honest not many of our players have been stand out every game ,Minichello has been the only player who has been there or there about every game and there lies the problem for me.As much as i think Pryce has been ok he clearly has not gelled with Sneyd ,up to Sneyd getting injured at Cas it was getting better but for me the last two games they have mis fired. I am not saying they are bad players I just think the way things have gone its heaped more pressure and at time over do things. Westerman for me is a big loss and thats why Radford should stick with Abdull till he is back. I thought Howarth apart from some really good hits in defence looked lost and without doubt Abdull got us going.

Agree with Abdul, we also have to remember its a job to them, & we all 1day or another have been told we are milking it & not putting in enough effort, I know this gets peoples backs up because they say they are paying to see this, but ask an employer to pay employees on the amount of effort they've done that week, would we take home what we do?? Lol

Rubbish. - Pearson had the youth system put in place as a priority as soon as he took over. Radford should be reaping the benefits.

So name the players that have come through then? & last season they employed more staff to the youth.

I do remember the defeat against Wire and in a post yesterday or Friday I said what a good performance it was. In fact I think it was better than the wins over Catalans, Widnes and Salford. It was certainly a lot more enjoyable than Friday's match. If we played like that every week and lost I would probably be happier than I am now. The league is so close this year that we are in touching distance of 5th place at the moment but frankly the standard of rugby we are being served up is dire. I have been supporting the team for 30 years but at the moment it brings me no joy, I attend more out of a sense of duty or obligation rather than expecting any enjoyment or pleasure. I don't blame everything at the door of the coach and don't pretend to know what the answer is but I can certainly see that we have problems. On paper we have a better squad than last year but haven't progressed at all and the coach seems to be repeating the same mistakes. Yes the future is bright with youth coming through but will be able to hang on to these lads much less attract other players if the first team is always languishing in the bottom half of the table?

A lot of sense in the last few posts I

Good post...

Totally agree with your opinion on Danny Houghton.....

I exchanged messages with Bobbie Goulding, he's watched our attack,
and say our catch & pass needs to massively improve.

He added we need to do more repetition in training in this area, under duress.- only then, will our speed will improve with ball in hand.

Fair summary.

So why are you claiming pearson some RL sage then?

No matter how good we look in training it isn't happening on the pitch which tells me the training or game preparation isn't right or the team are just failing to execute things. Whichever it is the buck stops with the coach and if he can't sort it he needs to go. Let's not forget that radford took us to the dizzy heights of 11th last season so it's not as if he has proven to be a good coach and is going through a sticky patch

Making things up again.

For the benefit of ccs I said in this thread yesterday at 7.54pm

Thanks for clearing that up - I could have sworn you said we beat Warrington in the post I was replying to.

Thanks for pointing out my typo ccs. I meant to say our loss against Wire, which I think was a good performance, probably our second best of the season after which I went home happy despite the defeat.

Lineham, Crooks, Shaul, Green ,& Bowden, came through via the u19's.
Although I grant you none seem to have made any significant improvement, since Radford took over.(Crooks we'll never know)
Abdull, Lancaster & co, would have ben about 15 - 17 when Gentle took over, you really think they should have been debuted?

Lineham Came from York iirc . Crooks is still letting in try's for Wentworth and a million miles away from a Parra start .
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But you aren't a player and I guess you've never being an athlete in an elite situation or have had to perform multiple tasks in front of a live audience that is judging you at every moment? Your post is just inaccurate & wrong.

If a player [ineeds[/i vocal support from fans to somehow play better then there is something wrong! if you're listening to what's going on in the crowd you aren't focusing on your job 100%. And whilst in RL a player can turn to the crowd/hear the support that's at a down time. It actually has little if any effect on how a player then plays, you might have an instant feeling of being buoyed but when it gets down to the nitty gritty it means naff all, you don't hear the crowd/audience, you're concentrating on what's going on around you, focusing on what you're meant to be doing...or at least you should be!

Telling the fans they MUST actively show positive support because it will make us perform better is just inaccurate, as much as you and indeed athletes/players might think it does.
studies done in the US have shown that sports with vocal fans, teams often play better without the fans at all than with fans cheering (not that we've had much to cheer about this past 1.5 years anyway). The greatest effect is in fact when sportspersons are being boo'd or jeered, this has a negative effect on performance (So bullying tactics by coaches/parents DO NOT WORK)
Despite the evidence, both fans and athletes believe cheering/positive support helps, the hard facts show that it just doesn't.

That said getting fans to cheer/give vocal support when things aren't going well is a difficult thing to do, I'd say Hull fans have done more than most over the years but that effect is just primarily on the fans themselves. Of late the fans aren't cheering, they are so fed up with how things have gone backwards that it seems futile to even raise a rendition of 'old faithful'.

Forgot Lineham came from York area, but but didn't he then play in U/19's at Hull?
Crooks probably won't ever get a start @ Parra, but young players like Russel, Naughton, etc
never got first team starts either, but came back better players for the experience.

Didn't LR bring the likes of shaul,lineham,Bowden, Hadley on in the youth set up about 4 years ago when he was head of u20s? Might I add Shaul & Hadley was never scholars & lineham was about to be binned off if gentle would have got his way, as we nearly signed another journeyman who's played for kr & crusaders, & greens from wakey or leeds.

Developing players isn't simply a case of giving them debuts. It starts when they are 13 or 14 years old (at least in terms of involvement of SL clubs). Most of the kids in the 19s who are so lauded now were already involved at the club when Gentle came in and certainly before Radford took charge. We won't really start seeing the benefit of Pearson's investment and the effect of the coaches for another couple of years yet. Radford and Gentle have played a part in their development of course. But a good player is a good player regardless. Who knows if this is simply a good batch or if it's down to improvements to the youth system?

Also, just because Radford says Gentle wanted to sign Youngquest (who knows how true that story is?) it doesn't mean Lineham was "about to be binned off." He might have just had to wait a few months longer for his chance. Oh and Green might have been born in Leeds (not entirely sure if that's even true), but I played with him as a kid, he's spent most of his life in Hull. He was playing for Skirlaugh when we picked him up.

We're did I say he gave them their debuts? & look the story up on youngquest Lineham said himself he was going to be binned, if you know green as you say you do you surely would know if he was born outside hull?

I wasn't really referring to that direct point. All I'm trying to say is that we have a good batch of youngsters at u'19s level, but how much is that to do with the investment and the coaching and how much is it to do with it being simply a good batch? The mark of a good youth set up is when good players emerge year on year.

If Lineham has said that himself then fair enough. Although did Gentle want to bin off Lineham, or was it more a case of Gentle saying that Youngquest was available, and Radford saying we should try Lineham first? There is a difference.

As for Green. I'm not claiming to be big mates with him, hell I don't think I've spoken to him in about 10 years. I'm just saying he was playing at Cott Tigers when we were 8 or 9, so I know he's been in Hull most of his life. He was picked up late when he was playing for Skirlaugh age 19 or so.

I see your points, same with Hadley & Shaul they was picked up late, sometimes I think it's what positions the clubs are looking for, my lads team east hull u15s & west hull 15s are 2 of the best teams in the country for their age, but how many of them will make it, who knows? But the talents there early on we have a lot of good amateur teams in this town, so we should be between 2 SL clubs developing a lot more then what most clubs are.

Most of the current bunch of 19's were part of the best 16's in the country 2 years ago and now we have a current crop of 16's potentially better than them (So i'm told). The job for Radford, Horne, Last & Wilson will be to nurture these two great groups of players, which is what they are, through to the first team. This has been an immense failing of both Hull clubs for years, the amount of talent that has been lost to the game by the age of 18 in this city is criminal. Of course a lot of these are life choices by the youngsters themselves, but its up to the clubs to educate them to make better choices and the most of their talent. This is were the set up at BB and the money Pearson has invested will pay dividends.