Absolutely agree with this. Martin and two or three other young lads should be given a chance.

Give them game time see how they go and the experience will be invaluable for next season.

That’s the issue though as our completion rate was awful along with the discipline and brain farts meaning the work we had to do in defence took a lot of gas out of us which is why Houghton needed spelling instead of leaving him out there.

I don’t disagree that had we completed at a higher rate we’d have likely won but we didn’t, that’s what for me lead to Houghton being ineffective and resulted in Houghton for me not been near where he’s been the last 4 games.
Which is why I think Bonaire point was pretty valid in terms of pushing Houghton through 80 mins like the past few seasons.

Totally agree still alot of players who won't take us to the next level

Likes of Lane, fash even cator won't win us a grand final

I think we all agree we need new players in to move up the ladder. Our youngsters are looking good so that looks in good hands. We have been a poor team the last few years and it's gonna take time. Smith I think will sort it. My main worry this year was relegation. Think that worry has gone. It's a big rebuild needed and one of which we have started

Did you watch the game, just find it abit odd you mention fash and Cator when they are way down the list when you look for first team improvements.

For me its about abit of leadership and quality in a few more roles, i think our halfbacks are brilliant, but weve inconsistencies and leadership lacking in the hooking role, quality and consistency lacking in the second row, workrate lacking at times at prop, and quality out wide on the right. As well as Hoy very inconsistent.

Cator and Fash have been pretty solid.

Love to hear why youve singled those two out

Agree with that as you need players like Fash & Cator in teams with their work rate and endeavour. They arent going to turn games themselves and not expected to. Fash is doing a good job considering he’s filling in as a front row due to the poor performance of Evans and his subsequent release. Think Cator has also come back from an awful injury period and other than a few daft penalties he’s given away he’s been pretty solid at 13 and brings a lot energy in to the side.

Lane I would agree is certainly questionable with his poor performances and despite showing some improvement in the last couple of games thought he was again poor today. For me Griffin has outperformed him by some way this season and would hope that Savelio is given another chance and one that he takes.

The lack of pace is also a particularly on the right edge but I imagine this is something that is already being addressed for next season.

Next on the line of scapegoats

When you consider we are playing with a totally inept right edge which is rightfully targeted by the opposition, yet we still should have won that game today so you have to say under the circumstances we are doing reasonably well.
I think its time that Smith either considered moving Tuimavave into the second row or bring a half fit Savelio back and play him into match fitness
Whoever gave Lane a contract extension needs to give his head a wobble.
Unless we have an injury crisis i cant see McIntosh back in the first team and personally it wouldnt bother me not to see him again.
Barron has been 18th man on a couple of occassions but not got a game so would Martin be selected over him if Smith goes for a rookie wing next week.
That said we need some pace on that edge and cant see either of them having the brain farts that McIntosh has so for me give one of them a go.
We need to get a new right edge playing together before the Saints cup game as i think we have a real chance to turn them over.

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The kid will be ruined that's what you have to lose.

Likes of Lane, fash even cator won't win you a game of pass the parcel.

He's human and will make mistakes, just like you, me and everyone else. He doesn't make mistakes on purpose. He'll know he's not had the best of days.

Interesting listening to Humberside before the game. TS tactful as ever refusing to be drawn on questions re Wynne but then Lane allowed to throw himself under the bus with his daft “we owe them one” interview.

You been on the happy juice. Very good post. Agree with that

Some interesting stats from the stats man. Particularly the fact we made mearly as many metres as Salford, despite having 62 less carries, that's a extra 10 sets, near impossible to win a game with that less possession. Thought we looked pretty good in attack and defence when we held the ball, we are streets ahead in both from the early rounds

Lane 6 hit ups in 80 minutes, hopefully Savelio comes back soon.

15 to 7/8 errors.

You can't argue with Hoys effort 21 hit ups 174 metres, does this nearly every week he plays.

They are starters every game I just don't think they will take us to the next level

Take taylor and satae out and our pack is so lightweight

Fash couldn't carry a pack like taylor did

Fash and cator that's all they are "pretty solid" at best. point proven you just said it yourself they won't take us to the next level

When players post stats like this, how much of it is down to them being lazy or the team not using them enough? If we constantly attack down the left with Griff, Clifford, Sutcliffe and swift....then players on the right edge won't have as good stats as those on the edge that is being used more?

Its a fair point Steve, I've always said we use our backs too much, it worked when we had the likes of Faramio, Fonu and Talanoa, but we are a bit too lightweight now. All that could also be said about the forwards.

I think it must be a bit of both, I appreciate we attack more the left, but our both made the same amount of carries (10), while Griffin (who also had a short spell off) ,made twice as many carries than Lane

The thing is. Listening to Jordan Lane’s interviews and he realises he’s not doing the things he was a couple of years ago and knows he is making mistakes.

At least he isn’t arrogant enough to think I am in the team and playing okay.

But then you would think that taking so few carries, every week, would make him doubly determined to get more involved in the next match but it doesn’t seem to change? Is that down to the way we play?

I had such high hopes for him, but he may be one of those players that flatter to deceive, when they break into the team and may have reached his level. Callum Lancaster was the same, a winger that scored prolifically, when he came through but never went anywhere. I do hope Lane does find his best form, it can only be a good thing if so, but, as we have little option to replace him, it is an obvious weakness in the fabric of that edge that good teams exploit.

I don't mind Lane as a squad member, should be cheap and like Fash seems not get injured too much and can play big minutes, but he shouldn't be a starter when everyone else is fit.

Agreed, Fash and Lane have a place in the 17, but shouldn't have the 12&13 shirts if we're to challenge for the top 4