There definitely is. Sending offs, yellow cards and too many penalties conceded. When we cut this out we look really good. When we don't we get humped by average teams like salford and leeds

Guess your only watching in slow motion replays, yes stupid , deliberate I dont think so . At full speed id say is initial thought was to try turning him over, the pull on his arm lasted a second , then he released. Careless and stupid for me, any more than 2 games would be harsh imo

No there isn't. Defence was the issue in those games. We're not doing anything differently to last season in respect of discipline.

Last year we where 9th for penalties conceded , this year 2nd, it is a problem, alot of Leeds and Salfords pens came on the back of poor penalties.

Looking at this, the anmount of players sin inner, sent off and banned I think discipline is clearly an issue, even on Friday with a good lead we gave away a series of penalties and was put on a team warning, luckily good goal line defence and poor Warrington play stopped them getting back in the game.

On average, less than 2 penalties per game more than the team with the fewest.
Not what I'd call significant, never mind lacking in discipline.

And the red/yellow cards - more down to the referees and their different interpretations of the rules.

eg

It is, a lot are dumb (including a few with the ball in hand)and also late in the tackle count, at times last season I though we where poor, but much worst this year.

Don't agree about the refs, Watts apart I think all the decisions were correct.

Certainly been dealt harsly by the RL disciplinary though.

Crikey, next you'll be saying every penalty not given to us was correct as well.
Penalties could be given at nearly every tackle/play the ball - it's up to the ref to (randomly) decide whether to award one or not.

That's rubbish, also big difference between sin binning and Pens.

I'll agree at times it seems to be random, but often penalties for both teams are obvious.

Every fan could say that they are hard done to my refs.

2nd highest number of penalties conceded in the comp, 7 yellow cards and 1 red would indicate otherwise. Our poor ball control (which was much better on Friday) and indiscipline have put additional pressure on our defence

Why is it rubbish? Have you never seen us not given a penalty when a few minutes earlier we were penalised for exactly the same offence?

You said penalties could be given nearly every tackle, that's the rubbish bit.

To answer your question yes I have, but all teams could say that, this doesn't excuse our poor discipline this year.

Taking into account offside, not square, not playing the ball correctly, not playing the ball at the mark, delaying the play the ball, plus the tackle process itself, I reckon most times one of those offences will be committed - and the ref decides whether to bother or not.

So, in a sense, you're right, every penalty we've conceded was almost certainly a correct decision.

If you say so, we aren't going to agree, despite the facts ou discipline is fine, might as well lock this thread.

Stats don't lie.
If you're going to stick your head in the sand and suggest its the refs fault, its not going to improve is it.
There is a problem with discipline at Hull, I dunno how anyone could say there isn't, but I suppose it depends how you define a "problem", it doesn't seem to be hurting them too much.
Taking Leigh out of the equation Hull are doing roughly one extra penalty a game than everybody else, so its not ridiculous, just high comparatively.
Look at Catalans, complete penalty dingbats for as long as I can remember, this season bottom of the stats but it hasn't helped them any.
That card count say's a lot more about the team priorities than any faffing about at tpob, sorting that out will have more of an impact than a few extra conceded penalties over the season.

Stats can be interpreted to back up many arguments, but I honestly don't believe that these particular stats show that we have discipline issues.
Look at Catalans, they are now 6th in the penalty count, not bottom as you were arguing yesterday. And our stats aren't as "bad" now compared to other teams, now that the figures have been updated.

Manu charged with Grade C.

Grade C Dangerous Contact. EGP not available so if found guilty he'll miss 2-3 games which would be Widnes, Catalans (Cup) and possibly Saints at the Magic Weekend.

Would the tonga game count as well as Widnes?

One moment of ill discipline has cost him the chance to captain his country

I would doubt that he can count two games on the same weekend taking places on two different continents.

Like your style. Worth asking

They are two different games though. IF the situation was different and it was a one game ban, surely there would be an argument to say he misses the Saturday game but can play the Sunday game. I don't see why them being on one weekend matters, the easter weekend games count as two.

best of luck with that then



I'm not arguing I'm trying without being a to point out the blatantly obvious, Hull still have 8 cards, they are still top of the penalty count bar Leigh, Wire are 4th from bottom with a p count of 89.
Catalans, Shudds, Saints, Wire, it hardly matters, they all have superior penalty counts despite being at the bottom end of the table, my point was and is still valid, nothing has changed, but then you knew that before you posted.
I can see why Leigh could concede the penalties they have and cop the cards they have, 1st season in SL, they're struggling somewhat to compete at times on varying levels, there'll be a fair bit of frustration rolled in to that, What's Hulls excuse, why would a top of the table club have a similar penalty count of a bottom of the table club.
I'm not drawing anymore pictures, that's it.

Don't think anyone can argue with 2/3 matchs, luckily he didn't injure Atkins as it would have been a lot more.

Hull's penalty count is currently 0.7 penalties per game higher than the average. Hardly earth shattering.

Not much worse than Wakefield, for example, who also have a higher than average penalty count.