think this bias towards certain teams has gone on for ages.....unless a team outside the fab four wins it, it will continue, what you need is an nrl type of thing happeneing, ie: a team getting the wooden spoon one year then winning the comp the next, unfortunatly for SL..i cant see that ever happening as the entire game is set up so the big teams win...shocking really...

I must admit, I am glad we've now reached the point where that can't keep being dragged out, it was getting tiresome. As you say, we've now played everyone barring Catalan, and even with the games in hand played for all clubs we'd be a minimum of 5th.

He is right, we should be embarrased.

Or a point behind Wigan if we had already played Cats and won there.It really does annoy and amaze me when they all keep harping on that we have not played anyone, but with a bit of homework the muppets would of noticed that we have already beaten both of last seasons grand finalists.

I thought the same thing there actually, with Horney, Westerman and Heremaia sat in our injury bench.

They're just a bunch of prats.

As well as taking a point off the minor premiers. In fact, if you just look at head-to-head results between last season's playoff teams we're level with Warrington and only a point behind Hudds and Catalan.

I think the points raised by Clarke and Cullen the week before are valid. On saturday only Crooks and Houghton were Hull lads and a city the size of Hull should be embarrassed by our failure to produce Super League quality players.It is nothing new as in the glory days of the 80s we had 4 Kiwis and an Aussie in the backs and a predominantly West Yorkshire pack. I don't know why we do not produce good players locally but ultimately we need a pipeline of up and coming local lads to balance the salary cap. If we recruit highly paid Aussies or pay transfer fees for talented English lads from other clubs we will not have enough quality players within the cap.

We know our youth have been seriously lacking in recent years, the new chairman has put steps into to place to rectify this unfortunately it does not happen overnight. In time I am sure our youth policy will be very good and produce some of the stars of the future.

As for the 80's youth policies were poor throughout rugby league and the top teams just cherry picked the best players and slung them together with Aussies/Kiwis.

This.

A quick tour of these boards will reveal that pretty much every team thinks Sky in general and Clurkey in particular have it in for them. The logical conclusion is that they're just morons who like to say the odd controversial thing to get a reaction.

It's OK though, Clurkey has his unnecessary graphics and spurious stats to back him up, in his bid to sound like an insightful analyst of the game. A bid which has so far fooled nobody except the Sky Sports producers.

Clarky has a short memory when Wigan was struggling at the bottom of the league they didnt bring young players.
They went out and bought players and broke the salary cap just to stay up .

What's happened to his margin metre?

I think Hull are borrowing it to assist with their training sessions rather than developing their own system

It's keeping his hemorrhoids in place!

But surely that would render him unable to speak.

He always sounds to me he has sinus trouble.

Would have been nice if Teddy or Dipstick had reminded him of this.

The Manu comment was a pathetic jibe from Clarke, any player who has spent that amount of time at a club will be missed when he leaves. Would Wigan fans not be sad to lose Richards?

As for the loan signing of Russell, what about Leeds signing Lint when they had two bookers already?

He's normally better than that.

He will never beat his "Some tries should be worth eight points."

He forgot to add "especially when they're scored by Wigan".

I actually think he was talking about Warrington. I remember him saying that they deserved more points because they scored better tries.

Beating the world champs is a good start, but it only gets you two league points, the bigger picture lies in the under 20s and under 18s where you conceed 60 and 80 points. As far as youth developement goes your light years behind. Three years ago Wigan Identified why Leeds were so forward as a club in comparison, they have changed there approach and backed the youth system more and hey presto they are now challenging the Rhinos. Its not rocket science, while you allow players like Brisco to leave like he did, things will never change.

no bitterness there then

When you want to tell us something we [udon't[/u know, feel free to come back

Quote ="Chris28"When you want to tell us something we [udon't[/u know, feel free to come back'" didnt our u20s beat the whinos u20s last year at headingley?? www.therhinos.co.uk/rugby/17009.php

Quote ="Chris28"When you want to tell us something we [udon't[/u know, feel free to come back'" didnt our u20s beat the whinos u20s last year at headingley?? www.therhinos.co.uk/rugby/17009.php

Your spot on and Adam Pearson has mentioned this numerous times about the lack of investment in the youth set up,coaching facilities etc from the last board and he has invested heavily recently, but this will take time to filter through.
One thing i noticed when i have watched the under 20/18s is the size difference, London,Wigan whoever have looked bigger and faster, our lads have the heart but got beat by more physical players. Now with our new set up hopefully we will catch up.
I think while Adams here the Briscoe fiasco wont happen again.