Connor will be back to full back
Shaul made several handling errors at play the ball and was out of position for the Welsby try but still should have got to the ball first.
I agree he needs to get criticised but no one criticises Griffin for several handling errors and a brain fart kick on attacking in their 20

Are you advocating for him to return to centre?

Anyone watching re runs of our Wembley wins just see how disciplined we were on the day.
Have to say under this coach our discipline is getting worse .

If we had another centre and a full compliment of forwards he wouldnt be in my team but used off the bench.
He makes a few metres at centre but other than that his poor defence,lack of pace and a poor passing game he is not a wingmans centre.
I know a lot of Hull fans thing he is great but there are many who dont.
My point was Dave K was quite rightly criticising Shaul for his errors today but Griffin also made several without any criticism

There was a point in the first half where Gale picked up the ball in their 20 following a penalty,tapped and turned to pass but had to go to ground because all our players where 10 meters back in a big bunch

From their try from the scrum in 1st half Shaul didn't need to be in the scrum, but he went in at 13 and left us short in the defensive line and it was a very easy try

so playing saints with 7 front liners missing 1 sent off, yes we didnt play well but its early days, thought gale derserved to go stupid, but lets brush ourselves down hopefully no injuries, Salford next big game, we need to get a few back, week after Cas and we should get Sav and Evans back,

Firstly much respect to all the supporters from Saints who observed the tributes to Johnny with impeccable manners at the game today, this is one thing about this game I will remember.

I thought Hodgson made an error not starting Big Chris, Walmsley was too hot to handle all match, and he set the trend for a very poor performance from us, why he’s not in the NRL baffles me, well played.

Saints are the champions for a reason, they are slick, do the basics, have pace, and power, they also had a nearly full strength side to pick from, and playing against a Hull team, one sin binned, one red card, and missing numerous first teamers, there really was only one outcome.

This is not really the game to scapegoat players, it’s easy blame Jamie Shaul, he dropped the ball, he made errors, so did Jack Welsby, the weather made it extremely difficult handling.

A couple of positive things to come out of this game, our new hooker Joe looked to have a bit about him, and a magnificent crowd of 12,600 turned out in atrocious conditions.

Kendall like his mint cake, was crap.

Thought the ref got all of the big decisions correct except one, which was really pivotal, just before Wynne knocked on and the got sin binned, Hurrell should have been sin binned for a late hit, we would have had a penalty and playing against 12, it went downhill from there. I don't think it would have changed the result, but would have made it a closer game.

strange how a hull player was penalized for lifting opponents leg but when a saints player did it,nothing.

Well after getting home soaked to my thermal long johns, I didn’t want to re watch it, understandably, but sat in the East stand, the vibe regarding Kendall wasn’t good. I also believe our coach, who is usually quite fair disagrees also, Hodgson could be wrong of course. Perhaps our play the ball and ruck speed is so slow, it allows saints to look like they are in our faces every time we pass the ball, and not getting away with being perpetually offside, who knows.

Woeful performance. Gale will get a Grade D for that moment of madness. Agree Satae should have started. Saints ljne speed was incredible, worthy champions. Next two home games will be crucial, have to beat Salford and Gaints.

In other news, well done Digger for sorting out an Executive parking space, no more rushing over from Leeds to find a parking space.

Regarding parking mosher, one of the lads who went and parked on Walton street fair ground, said it was a right pain getting out, had to put Huddersfield on to cheer him up.

£150 for the season but split between three of us its worth it. Got out after straight away, just need to win some home games eh? Those people who don't go to away games must despair at the home form.

Sounds like a good move on the parking, there’s no organisation on the fair ground coming out.

The home form is an enigma, we seem to be a stronger away team, but it’s early days this season and yesterday’s result was probably expected, time will tell mate.

No one offered nothing going forward

Apart from his try our worst player yesterday was Griffin how many errors 6/7?

Connor wouldn't of made a jot of difference in them conditions also he hasn't had 7 months out like Shaul has been

Shaul made 1 or 2 half breaks but no one on his shoulder

Connor better passer but Shaul doesn't throw stupid interceptions or be an idiot with his mouth which results in penalties/red cards

5 minutes in we created the overlap, shaul had a simple 5 yard pass to make and it went straight into touch. It killed our momentum and saints scored off the back of it. You’re telling me that Connor wouldn’t of made that pass?

For his faults, we are a much better team with Connor in it.

I’m probably in the minority for this opinion, but hey ho.

Gales red card, I thought he tried to anticipate were the ball was going a split second after JL kicked it, it seemed like a complete accident to me, if the ball bounces of Gales foot and he picks it up, no problem.

Not sure he’s ever been that type of player, footballers may deliberately rake opponents shins, not so much in our game, he’s been accused of all sorts of thuggery which is way over the top, miss timed at worst. I’m sure the disciplinary will adjudicate with their usual fairness. And hope Lomax recovers quickly.

Shauls passing is so bad he couldn't even find an opposition player, that pass yesterday was a bad a pass I've seen for a long time.

When did Shaul make a break, I don't remember a break by any player.

Shauls strengths were making breaks and being safe, he does neither anymore.

You must be a friend or related, he was awful yesterday.

I don't think you watch the games.

Not really a suprise but just looked at the stats, as expected you don't watch the game properly.

Griffin 2 errors (6/7 errors what a clown)
Shaul 4 (which doesn't include not beating Welsby to his try)

no clean breaks for Shaul.

Both had 15 runs, one made over 150 meters one 61, which player do you think made 150?

But yeah Griffin was our worst player.

Absolutely clueless

Talking stats, Satae apart, pathetic effort for our forwards, Sao totally dominated, Reynolds 11 runs for 17 meters, similar for Houghton.

No complaints on the red card for Gale from me, the way the game is currently going, you’re asking for a red doing something as stupid as that.

I’m hoping the fact it was relatively early in the game and lack of contact might get him away without a ban, but I doubt it. Probably 2 games like savelio

You must be related to him

I said this last season too, Sao isn't good enough. Not only does he concede too many penalties (I don't think he did yesterday tbf) but his go forward is non existent. The good packs dominate him easily. He had less than 3 metres per carry yesterday. If that's the standard then give me a SL contract now.

Reynolds wasn't good yesterday, but I'm not sure any half back could be with forwards carrying like that.