Very true. It's almost like I'm not permitted to feel OK with where we are, relative to other times at the club and in the context of relative resources at others. That's alright. I'm choosing to have a much better time of it than everyone else.

Jesus H Christ!! Replying to your own post is a bit sublime

Sorry mate but I was in Purple Doors until 6am this morning before departing in a cab,
It made me feel a little more cheery after a disappointing loss.

How are we over performing v Leeds exactly? They’ve been in a relaxation fight all season long and there’s a reason for that because they’ve been worse than us for a few reasons.
So it more a case of Leeds underperforming than us over performing.

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Leeds should be Top 4, but they aren't. We should be 5-8, and we are. We are therefore performing well relative to Leeds.

Hmm. It's not about aspiration - all clubs hope for and aspire to the achievements of the most successful clubs, that's why we are all here and the performances of Salford this year are inspirational. It's about realism in the context of breaking permanently into this group who, yes, have more resources and consequently better/deeper coaching teams/facilities and abilities to attract the very best players, notwithstanding the money to use the marquee rule.

Why so very personal? On one hand you demand respect and empathy for others' views, yet at the same time think it's OK to be inflammatory with "cringe", "vomit-inducing", "attack instigation" and so on. I don't understand why pointing out this context, which is fact-based, and articulated dispassionately, merits such an inflammatory response.

Why should Leeds be top 4? They were a middle 8’s team last season and have had poor recruitment for the past few years and haven’t replaced the major & key figures that helped bring them sustained success.

As we are 5th it’s hardly over performing just par for the course but added in some truly shocking performances with the odd decent one. If you’re happy with under performing with the relative squad we have then that’s your prerogative but spare the preaching with excuses.

The facts are clear it’s not about accountancy it’s about what is happening in the training complex and on the field in the 80mins or should that be isn’t happening!

We have spent up to full cap, have training facilities to rival the top and the players wAnt for nothing other than a coach that by his own admission can not get to the bottom of why these shocking performers happen not solve/rectify them.

We have had two glorious chances (regardless of excuses of over performing and accounting against the top 4) to all but seal 2nd or a play off spot against opposition that without disrespect we are & should be more than capable of beating at home. The clear facts are we failed to take the chances with terrible performances, he’ll even the Wigan game has we turned up for 80 mins would have won, also had Wajey not been so poor we’d have likely come away without 2pts as we weren’t great other than as usual a couple of purple patches.

The team is capable of much more and that is why I have lost patience as it’s not the defeats but the manner of them and the lack of any chance or desire to put some bloody structures in place to sort the issues that have blighted us and continue to do so.

AP stated he wouldn’t accept the huge spikes in good and bad performances and sacked Gentle. Yet we are actually worse now than under Gentle (with a better squad) and the gulf in our best and worse is bigger than ever and we are more inconsistent than ever.

I understand it's disappointing to come close. I take the point about variations in performance, completely. Nonetheless 2 GF appearances by clubs outside the top 4 group (and Bradford back in the day) out of a possible 42 is quite telling. It's not preaching, it's just a matter of fact. I do agree the team is capable of more but I also believe that our attack is over-reliant on Kelly's individual brilliance and we need to work much harder on Plan B as his injury record is concerning. We all want the same thing, of course, but just have different attitudes towards mid table status. To me it's more or less where I thought we'd be given our pack weaknesses, so I'm not going to get worked up about it. Others will point to games narrowly missed and fret about them, but for those close games there's a golden point win that Sneyd's pulled out the bag for us, perhaps undeservedly? They are just different perspectives.

The other point is there have been far more false dawns in SL through bringing in new coaches than there have been success stories. I'm just not that confident we could bring in someone guaranteed to be more successful and getting it wrong could set the club back a couple of years when, as you say, we're in the position of creating chances so arguably not a million miles off.

The only possible excuse for you, is that you work for hull fc, you speak complete and utter garbage, it’s disturbing, annoying, but I’m guessing that’s your motive

She's infuriating at best.
Stop replying to her, I'm trying too, it's pointless debating with a fool, as you become the fool yourself for persisting

I doubt anyone working for Hull FC would spend time highlighting the fact that teams outside the Big 4 haven't broken into that group in years, as obvious as it is. You're just being silly, and there's no need for the disrespectful language really.

You're the only 1 talking about sustained success. Everyone else just recognises that this group of players underperforms on a regular basis and consistently doesn't show the level of basic skill we should expect. Many believe the coach to be at fault, you don't. Performing to your capabilities has nothing to do with the turnover of your employer

A load of old bollox if you ask me
We’re garbage and it’s down to the coaching
Simples

They really are coming out of the woodwork this week

The oniscidea gang.

I aren’t part of any gang but if you want to act like a 6 yr old with insults then fill your boots. Pity you can’t enter in to an adult discussion about the poor performances that are being churned out.

This forum is becoming a joke as anyone who dares to express an opinion that differs from ‘all in the garden is rosey’ end up being picked out in a form of persecution then people such as yourself simply respond with insults (very mature).

I’ve supported this club for 40 years and have in the past been in the pro Radford camp however this season was his change to put a lot of things right and he hasn’t. Instead we have meandered through another season with the same basic errors, lack of structures, no apparent plan A etc.
If you don’t agree that’s fine as it’s an opinion (based on what I see) same was I might not agree with yours. The difference is I accept other people’s opinions whether I think they’re right or wrong, you however are either incapable or just prefer to be insulting/abusive as you think you’re a being funny.

What’s the point if this forum anymore?

Must have left his sense of humour behind the skirting board.

You inferring I’m a mouse??

Dependent whether you are having a fry-up or cheese on toast for Sunday brekkie?
You don't strike me as a mus musculus but there are definitely some oniscidea types who enjoy crawling out in moments of adversity.
I aren't referencing yourself but there are most definitely one or two.

Well I am no mouse if that what you were trying to refer.

As people don’t have to agree with other people’s opnions but they should still be accepted whether you think they are right or wrong in you view.

I’ve often disagreed with Bonaire, Bombed out, Seb etc but I accept their right to an opinion I just don’t take the step of throwing insults.

I myself feel the performances over this season have been in large parts unacceptable and very poor based on what I’ve seen in terms of the same mistakes any real structure which hasn’t been improved over the best part of a season.

For confirmation what is your favourite saying when having your photograph taken?

So you've based that on the fact you don't like people disagreeing with Barista, which has clearly upset you or merely you don't agree with their opinion?

People have commented on the dross seen against Huddersfield, against the back drop of Salford, Rovers and other real lacklustre performances this season, which unfortunately now seem all too common, only punctuated with the odd bright spot.

I think fans have every right to voice displeasure without being insulted if that's how they feel, it may not be your opinion but there is a lot of frustration out there regarding our form, style of play and inability to correct things.

Offer something constructive and give us your thoughts on Friday, the season as a whole or the coach.

Agree. But then fans also have a right to come on here trying to be positive without being insulted . Works both ways. Gotta say my positivity is wearing thin ATM. Mind you we win all our remain matches and we are GF winners. Have it lol

Having watched the NRL games this weekend I can see why RL in England & France is on it's knees.Manley were made to look poor by The Storm, but they would still beat anyone in SL if played during their season. the standard of rugby in SL is dire, as is the entertainment value.

And I agree with you too but that was straight in with an insult.
I know you're a positive person and I genuinely don't have an issue with that, we're 2 sides of the same coin.
It's a certain poster's inane ramblings that gets me, not the genuine positivity you and others display.