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| Everyone has the right to comment but not with insults as a few do. Also if people want to sing a song to their coach indicating his imminent departure that's fine but don't throw your arms up in synthetic outrage if he calls you out for it.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Everyone has the right to comment but not with insults as a few do. Also if people want to sing a song to their coach indicating his imminent departure that's fine but don't throw your arms up in synthetic outrage if he calls you out for it.'"
I dont think anyone is doing that, BUT as a pro sport coach he is responsible unltimately for the results and his record is awful thats what were saying
and as the coach he should open his ears and keep mouth shut when it comes to supporters, being a head coach is not a platform to dig at the fans!! smacks of inexperience all over that..I am sure someone will mention it to him too... its all a learning curve
However fans especially those long termers are not signing songs but like the Dentist we are simply questioning the validity of his tenure as head coach based upon two things
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both have been very questionable...
we are all basking tonight so lets enjoy it for a week
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"I dont think anyone is doing that, BUT as a pro sport coach he is responsible unltimately for the results and his record is awful thats what were saying
and as the coach he should open his ears and keep mouth shut when it comes to supporters, being a head coach is not a platform to dig at the fans!! smacks of inexperience all over that..I am sure someone will mention it to him too... its all a learning curve
However fans especially those long termers are not signing songs but like the Dentist we are simply questioning the validity of his tenure as head coach based upon two things
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we are all basking tonight so lets enjoy it for a week'"
I've no problem enjoying it at all - we've rarely won at St Helens in my 40 odd years of affiliation.
Say what you like - I can't believe how sensitive some of you are when you get a bit back. Quite surprising.
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| Why don't people listening to the link for Radfords interview ... He never said all those who didn't travel are the fickle fans but he did praise them for there support today and was asked to also mention the fans by Danny Houghton
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I've no problem enjoying it at all - we've rarely won at St Helens in my 40 odd years of affiliation.
Say what you like - I can't believe how sensitive some of you are when you get a bit back. Quite surprising.'"
No not sensitive at all just saying LR should not do that , thats not his job ....
you dont win friends and support by digging at them however veiled it may be
but as you say any win at saints is a good win, regardless of their own issues squad wise, lets not forget their forwards are as good as any in SL too
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons" He never said all those who didn't travel are the fickle fans '"
did anyone say he had?
what he did do is dig at those who are screaming for his head ... not those who didnt travel
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Well, they have a better squad than us. The point is that the relative dilution of quality was broadly similar. We were missing our captain, scrum half, first choice starting prop, best centre and at least two others who'd have been selected. They were clearly short in the halves and FB but they had a pack with LMS, Roby, Walmsley, Amor, Masoe etc.'"
Don't talk nonsense we only won because they had injurys
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"Don't talk nonsense we only won because they had injurys
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"did anyone say he had?
what he did do is dig at those who are screaming for his head ... not those who didnt travel'"
Yes . Pmarrow did
A wins a win and no matter how they come I will take it at the moment. However Mr Radford you may not today be bothered about the fans that haven't turned up today or tomorrow but remember last time you got cocky on Radio we lost the next four games. A few points for you to intake
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| Quote ="ccs"...and we never lose because we have injuries.'"
If we were full strength then the injury card is valid but as we were both depleted it doesn't imo
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"Yes . Pmarrow did
SORRY didnt read it like that !
A wins a win and no matter how they come I will take it at the moment. However Mr Radford you may not today be bothered about the fans that haven't turned up today or tomorrow but remember last time you got cocky on Radio we lost the next four games. A few points for you to intake'"
to dig at any fans fairwether or not is silly and below him, he should know better.. emotion taking over a bit i think, we will allow him that as a win is a win
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"to dig at any fans fairwether or not is silly and below him, he should know better.. emotion taking over a bit i think, we will allow him that as a win is a win'"
Probably was emotions pal . He gets it 24/7 but that's part n parcel of been a coach .. Anyone that knows Lee personally will know how passionate he is about OUR club will know he'll get it right or give his all trying
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"What a tool you are , no credit to the coach for the win ??? I mean really ?'"
And what a fool you are believing Radford is a coach
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I've no problem enjoying it at all - we've rarely won at St Helens in my 40 odd years of affiliation.'"
Although in the last 6 visits we have actually won 3 and drawn 1.
Quote ="Staffs FC"Say what you like - I can't believe how sensitive some of you are when you get a bit back. Quite surprising.'"
People often get sensitive when incorrectly accused of something they haven't done. By several accounts (including yours) Radford took issue with fans being 'fickle'. That's inaccurate. Being critical of him does not automatically make any of us fickle, unless we also then rave about him after a win. If he'd taken issue with people criticising him that would be a bit different, albeit still from a pretty weak standpoint at this moment in time IMO.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Although in the last 6 visits we have actually won 3 and drawn 1.
People often get sensitive when incorrectly accused of something they haven't done. By several accounts (including yours) Radford took issue with fans being 'fickle'. That's inaccurate. Being critical of him does not automatically make any of us fickle, unless we also then rave about him after a win. If he'd taken issue with people criticising him that would be a bit different, albeit still from a pretty weak standpoint at this moment in time IMO.'"
What's our SL record there - do you have it to hand ?
He didn't mention the word fickle for sure. I can't really remember what he said but the gist was that he thanked the loyal hard core support and mentioned that he was less interested in those who change their minds a lot.
No problem with criticism when it's balanced - I have criticised him as well. As I've said elsewhere maybe he was addressing those who were musically delighting in his impending downfall just four days ago.
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| When did he say fickle? He said the week to week fans that change their opinions, he wrapped the hardcore supporters.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"When did he say fickle? He said the week to week fans that change their opinions, he wrapped the hardcore supporters.'"
HOWEVER wether hardcore or occasional, they are still supporters, pay his wages, are the reason the club exists and he should stay stum about fans!!
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"HOWEVER wether hardcore or occasional, they are still supporters, pay his wages, are the reason the club exists and he should stay stum about fans!!'"
He must be so grateful....
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| Quote ="Legends and Icons"Probably was emotions pal . He gets it 24/7 but that's part n parcel of been a coach .. Anyone that knows Lee personally will know how passionate he is about OUR club will know he'll get it right or give his all trying'"
I dont know him personally, as a fella he seems a good lad to be fair but grand finals are not won on popularity, thats not a dig at you by the way Marra!!
He also said something about him knowing if he had to walk and he would... I 100000000% hope he is right and I am wrong, and he turns us into WCC champions but on the other hand if as I suspect from experience he will fail miserably then i hope he knows when its time to go and not when were relegated or fighting for survival
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| Quote ="FCFALERNA"HOWEVER wether hardcore or occasional, they are still supporters, pay his wages, are the reason the club exists and he should stay stum about fans!!'"
Mar... ?
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"He must be so greatful....'"
what a strange post ? what exactly does that even mean
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Mar... ?'"
are you drunk
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| The interview is on the bbc sports app , 5 min long.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"What's our SL record there - do you have it to hand ?
He didn't mention the word fickle for sure. I can't really remember what he said but the gist was that he thanked the loyal hard core support and mentioned that he was less interested in those who change their minds a lot.
No problem with criticism when it's balanced - I have criticised him as well. As I've said elsewhere maybe he was addressing those who were musically delighting in his impending downfall just four days ago.'"
During the SL era it's abysmal. Played 19, won 4, according to our website. We do happen to have had a fairly decent few years, though.
If he hasn't labelled fans fickle, then that's less of a problem. He's well within his rights to voice his own opinion, as long as he too is fair. I don't personally think it's a wise idea, however. Neither do I think he's right if he thinks fans are changing their minds a lot, either. Fan unease has been steadily rising throughout his tenure and many have now formed an opinion they're sticking to.
Lastly, it's perfectly understandable that having people chant for your sacking stings a bit. His reaction today will probably only increase the chances of a recurrence next time we lose, though.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"When did he say fickle? He said the week to week fans that change their opinions, he wrapped the hardcore supporters.'"
Blimey, it must have been a good result.
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