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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Shaul is a miss because he is an experienced player in our squad who is unavailable. Matongo would have come into contention with Ma'u and Bowden out, so is a miss.
Ma'u is a 3-4 week injury based on last week's update, so 2-3 week's still. Reynolds was said to be 4-6 week's 2 weeks ago. So neither will be back according to stated timescales. As you say Bowden is likely to miss out, so that's 5-7 players missing against last year's Grand Finalists. Not negative, just factual. As you'll see from my posts after the match, I'm pretty chipper about our start to the season, but we haven't played a top side yet and now have to do so with a chunk of the squad out, possibly evem both first choice halves.Good to keep a sense of perspective I think.'"
Shaul being unavailable however has proved an opportunity to Connor who I feel is flourishing in that role and offers so much more in attack, so not the miss you're making it out to be in my opinion.
Ma'u and Reynolds are definite misses but again timescale not definitely known.
Matongo is a back up player at best but him missing on a positive provides an opportunity for Brown who I rate to be better.
Bowden looks to be a definite miss too so out of your 5-7 missing, I think in real terms about 3.
So keeping a good sense of perspective I prefer to look at the positives.
We've played Warrington who you keep reminding us are a top 4 team.
I suspect Wigan will be too good for us though but even they have injury problems and were playing Farrell and Isa as centres and Smithies in the back row.
French has only just come back and Field is missing also.
Just to put it into perspective and not making rash assumptions regarding players missing.
I'm glad you've been pretty chipper because we look a far better team under Hodgson but you still like that negative spin to downplay our chances, let's be positive eh.
I would like to go the season without us falling out
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| Quote ="Dave K."Connor has to stay Full back, playing well there, took two wrong options but at least he is trying something.
Very safe under the high ball, solid defensively and also organising the defence really well.'"
He really needs to step up his positional play though as Fev caught him out with kicks behind the line.
His effort or lack of for the Wakefield kick behind the line was pretty terrible, he just didn’t follow the play at all and wasn’t even in the frame when Batchelor collected the kick.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"Shaul being unavailable however has proved an opportunity to Connor who I feel is flourishing in that role and offers so much more in attack, so not the miss you're making it out to be in my opinion.
Ma'u and Reynolds are definite misses but again timescale not definitely known.
Matongo is a back up player at best but him missing on a positive provides an opportunity for Brown who I rate to be better.
Bowden looks to be a definite miss too so out of your 5-7 missing, I think in real terms about 3.
So keeping a good sense of perspective I prefer to look at the positives.
We've played Warrington who you keep reminding us are a top 4 team.
I suspect Wigan will be too good for us though but even they have injury problems and were playing Farrell and Isa as centres and Smithies in the back row.
French has only just come back and Field is missing also.
Just to put it into perspective and not making rash assumptions regarding players missing.
I'm glad you've been pretty chipper because we look a far better team under Hodgson but you still like that negative spin to downplay our chances, let's be positive eh.
I would like to go the season without us falling out
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This will never happen.
I'll partially concede on the Warrington point (Big 4 club for sure financially but fans baying for the coach to be binned off) but on current info we have 5 of our squad unavailable for selection next week (Reynolds, Ma'u, Bowden, Shaul and Matongo)and may end up with that number being 8 should Griffin's shoulder and Sneyd's leg prove issues and Faraimo cops a.ban. Next week is a massive test for us even at full strength and we hear nothing else about Wigan than that they never seem to weaken with players out because the next cab off the rank from the academy is of equal capability. I hope we can dig deep and find our best performance of the year so far to win because that's what it will need to be IMO. Let's return to the risk assessment after the disciplinary and squad announcements.
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| Didn't matter in the end but why did Thaler send this up as a No Try and why didn't the video ref overrule it?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Didn't matter in the end but why did Thaler send this up as a No Try and why didn't the video ref overrule it?
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It's very easy to say that looking at a still picture, but Thaler was on the wrong side to see the grounding and the ball came pinging out so it would have been hard to give a try on the field. Then on the replay it did look like his hand might have come off it before he regathered again. I don't really have any issue with it being disallowed.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"It's very easy to say that looking at a still picture, but Thaler was on the wrong side to see the grounding and the ball came pinging out so it would have been hard to give a try on the field. Then on the replay it did look like his hand might have come off it before he regathered again. I don't really have any issue with it being disallowed.'"
Thaler was on the wrong side all night.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"This will never happen.
I'll partially concede on the Warrington point (Big 4 club for sure financially but fans baying for the coach to be binned off) but on current info we have 5 of our squad unavailable for selection next week (Reynolds, Ma'u, Bowden, Shaul and Matongo)and may end up with that number being 8 should Griffin's shoulder and Sneyd's leg prove issues and Faraimo cops a.ban. Next week is a massive test for us even at full strength and we hear nothing else about Wigan than that they never seem to weaken with players out because the next cab off the rank from the academy is of equal capability. I hope we can dig deep and find our best performance of the year so far to win because that's what it will need to be IMO. Let's return to the risk assessment after the disciplinary and squad announcements.
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I'd be very surprised if Faraimo escapes a ban, and it looks like we will be without Bowden for a couple of weeks at least. Sneyd certainly seems to have a knock but it appears to be manageable. He still did most of the kicking last night which suggests he wasn't struggling too badly. No idea about Griffin.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I'd be very surprised if Faraimo escapes a ban, and it looks like we will be without Bowden for a couple of weeks at least. Sneyd certainly seems to have a knock but it appears to be manageable. He still did most of the kicking last night which suggests he wasn't struggling too badly. No idea about Griffin.
Hopefully Reynolds is only a week or two away.'"
Reynolds is running now.i guess the club are trying to get him fit for the C/C game
Cant see us getting a win next week but hopefully if we have Reynolds back for the C/C we can put in a performance and get the win
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| Quote ="ccs"That's a new one, I must remember that.'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"11 tackle busts
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Didn't matter in the end but why did Thaler send this up as a No Try and why didn't the video ref overrule it?
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Because the refs and video refs are completely useless
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| Relived we got the win in the end ugly as it was ,The team looked absolutely gassed but credit to finding a way to keep unbeaten . Our defence has been totally transformed from last season ,
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| Up to third tonight by the looks of it.
Pleasing start to the season given Josh Reynolds has missed two of the four games,
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Up to third tonight by the looks of it.
Pleasing start to the season given Josh Reynolds has missed two of the four games,'"
playing us doesnt seem to have taken too much out of Warrington.
Shows how far we have come to be so near to a win against a very good Warrington team
Cant see a win against Wigan but if we can get Reynolds back for the C/C i think we can win
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| Quote ="bonaire"Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Up to third tonight by the looks of it.
Pleasing start to the season given Josh Reynolds has missed two of the four games,'"
playing us doesnt seem to have taken too much out of Warrington.
Shows how far we have come to be so near to a win against a very good Warrington team
Cant see a win against Wigan but if we can get Reynolds back for the C/C i think we can win'"
To be honest I thought Catalan were disappointing and certainly didn’t give Warrington a hard game. I’m surprised they didn’t get at Warrington physically or up the intensity. It was a very limp performance from Catalan.
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| Quote ="Chris71"To be honest I thought Catalan were disappointing and certainly didn’t give Warrington a hard game. I’m surprised they didn’t get at Warrington physically or up the intensity. It was a very limp performance from Catalan.'"
I thought Warrington looked a happier bunch, high fiving, and congratulating each other for tackle wins, and scoring, a win in France by anyone is well earned, it’s funny how some games seem so full of energy, and others turn into a wrestle. Third in the league after four played, I’m happy with that.
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| Savelio blocked the tackler on our winning try - does anyone else agree if it went to the Video ref it would be chalked off?
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Savelio blocked the tackler on our winning try - does anyone else agree if it went to the Video ref it would be chalked off?'"
No.
He ran his line, the defender took the bait.
Believe you me, if there was an infringement whingy chester would have picked up on it.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Savelio blocked the tackler on our winning try - does anyone else agree if it went to the Video ref it would be chalked off?'"
I picked it up at the time. He was in the line and Wood was sliding but “blocked” albeit momentarily the gap that was hit was where wood was sliding. Wood did not “take the bait” as he didn’t attempt to tackle Savelio but was sliding and simply blocked.
You have seen trys chalked off for far less and if it had gone up it could have been chalked off.
We can cry that we lost yet another player for HIA for the next game and this game too big the way cards are handed out and band is such a confusing element of the game you just lose all interest. As always the team that follows will benefit.
Not that I think we deserved to win. We lost composure in the final 10 gifting hull possession with silly offloads and mistakes in our own half. At least we didn’t collapse for a 20-30 minute spell this week.
We are up against it though as I think Hampshire broke his jaw and Jowitt could miss 4 weeks due to 2 concussions.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I swear someone at wakey has smashed too many mirrors.'"
Maybe someone ran over a black “wild” cat
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| Quote ="MorningGlory23"Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Didn't matter in the end but why did Thaler send this up as a No Try and why didn't the video ref overrule it?
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Because the refs and video refs are completely useless'"
I believe it is because in the process of the ball leaving his right hand the ball is resting on the wakey players leg and in contact. The moment when he transfers the ball from his right hand to left hand it looked to me like it bobbled.
It’s a 50/50 one. Wakey have had multiple this year chalked off. If the ref had sent as try it would have been given but there was enough to not overule the “no try” on field call.
I’ve felt hard done to as wakey have been in wrong end of loads of these. I personally think the on field call should be abolished and it should simply be sent up.
To be perfectly honest though I’m not sure if it was this try but the set leading up to one of Hulls try’sa hull player lost the ball (juggled it) and it hit a wakey defender and shot back to a hull player. Ref gave 6 again but was clearly a know on. I think it either led to this or a previous try so I was fuming at that but you just have to accept these decisions happen. It’s a sad state of affairs really but I feel the officials are right up against it. I’m not sure if 2 refs is the answer either.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I picked it up at the time. He was in the line and Wood was sliding but “blocked” albeit momentarily the gap that was hit was where wood was sliding. Wood did not “take the bait” as he didn’t attempt to tackle Savelio but was sliding and simply blocked.
You have seen trys chalked off for far less and if it had gone up it could have been chalked off.
We can cry that we lost yet another player for HIA for the next game and this game too big the way cards are handed out and band is such a confusing element of the game you just lose all interest. As always the team that follows will benefit.
Not that I think we deserved to win. We lost composure in the final 10 gifting hull possession with silly offloads and mistakes in our own half. At least we didn’t collapse for a 20-30 minute spell this week.
We are up against it though as I think Hampshire broke his jaw and Jowitt could miss 4 weeks due to 2 concussions.
Add that to the current injury list.
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I swear someone at wakey has smashed too many mirrors.'"
Saveillo didn't change his run into the defender, he is entitled to run that line. Woods hand also ended up around Saviello which is odd for a player not attempting to tackle..
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I believe it is because in the process of the ball leaving his right hand the ball is resting on the wakey players leg and in contact. The moment when he transfers the ball from his right hand to left hand it looked to me like it bobbled.
It’s a 50/50 one. Wakey have had multiple this year chalked off. If the ref had sent as try it would have been given but there was enough to not overule the “no try” on field call.
I’ve felt hard done to as wakey have been in wrong end of loads of these. I personally think the on field call should be abolished and it should simply be sent up.
To be perfectly honest though I’m not sure if it was this try but the set leading up to one of Hulls try’sa hull player lost the ball (juggled it) and it hit a wakey defender and shot back to a hull player. Ref gave 6 again but was clearly a know on. I think it either led to this or a previous try so I was fuming at that but you just have to accept these decisions happen. It’s a sad state of affairs really but I feel the officials are right up against it. I’m not sure if 2 refs is the answer either.'"
To be honest (and I'm genuinely not having a go at you, Trojan Horse) we ALL tend to see things in the game from our own perspective and focus on our own team's bad luck/calls (me included), usually ignoring the bad luck/calls that the opposition get. For example, for Wakey's 3rd try it looked very much like the player chasing down Sneyd's kick (Batchelor?) COULD be offside, and if he isn't then, unless I'm mistaken, the player lying the wrong side of the tackle on Taylor (Mason Lino) who gets the ball from Batchelor's charge-down IS definitely offside and can't get involved in the next play (and can't be played onside). Thus the try should not have been awarded.
So we all cite examples of being hard done by, without the balance of things that went our way.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Quote ="Trojan Horse"I picked it up at the time. He was in the line and Wood was sliding but “blocked” albeit momentarily the gap that was hit was where wood was sliding. Wood did not “take the bait” as he didn’t attempt to tackle Savelio but was sliding and simply blocked.
You have seen trys chalked off for far less and if it had gone up it could have been chalked off.
We can cry that we lost yet another player for HIA for the next game and this game too big the way cards are handed out and band is such a confusing element of the game you just lose all interest. As always the team that follows will benefit.
Not that I think we deserved to win. We lost composure in the final 10 gifting hull possession with silly offloads and mistakes in our own half. At least we didn’t collapse for a 20-30 minute spell this week.
We are up against it though as I think Hampshire broke his jaw and Jowitt could miss 4 weeks due to 2 concussions.
Add that to the current injury list.
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Saveillo didn't change his run into the defender, he is entitled to run that line. Woods hand also ended up around Saviello which is odd for a player not attempting to tackle..'"
While I get what your saying Wood was sliding laterally and Savelio was in the line which i the cause of the contact. I’m not quite sure what you wanted Wood to do. I don’t think phasing through Savelio was an option...
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| Quote ="Homenaway"To be honest (and I'm genuinely not having a go at you, Trojan Horse) we ALL tend to see things in the game from our own perspective and focus on our own team's bad luck/calls (me included), usually ignoring the bad luck/calls that the opposition get. For example, for Wakey's 3rd try it looked very much like the player chasing down Sneyd's kick (Batchelor?) COULD be offside, and if he isn't then, unless I'm mistaken, the player lying the wrong side of the tackle on Taylor (Mason Lino) who gets the ball from Batchelor's charge-down IS definitely offside and can't get involved in the next play (and can't be played onside). Thus the try should not have been awarded.
So we all cite examples of being hard done by, without the balance of things that went our way.'"
No worries, I guess it highlights the issues in officiating we have when both sets of fans can pick so many faults for their respective teams.
I respect the refs have a tough job but I think they need more help and the officiating structure needs looking at.
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