Bad tackle technique from a player that was losing his head (literally),evasive action from watts and how come a lot of current and ex players are backing watts on this call?,because a misjustice has happened that's why!,

so basically wattsy has to leave his left arm hanging limp then.

it's opinions based upon the colour of glasses your wearing which is why i said whatever, but i've seen literally dozens of players and ex players agree with my opinion so im happy with my facetious point of view.

No, it's not fixed. Does anyone seriously believe that the RFL are competent enough to fix games?

The only people I've seen agreeing with the sending off are those who've never played the game at any level. A number of pros have backed Watts on twitter.

McIlorum flew in and Watts had the awareness to adjust his feet meaning McIlorums head was on the wrong side, and collided with Watts elbow, which at the point of contact was tooked into his torso.

Fixed? No of course not. It was just a fkn dreadful decision.

No it's not fixed, can't believe any grown up would think it was.

Sums it up for me, just a bad call IMO. Don't for a second believe anything re match fixing, I think some people need to wind that back as is making us look pretty foolish.

Not fixed but the Watts call was at best 50:50 and it's the perception of the way 50:50s go that is the wider issue. It's like when Ellis gets a crusher at Wembley and nothing is done but then gets yellow and a ban for the same thing 5 days later. It's like when Rob Burrow sticks his nut on but the video ref (Hicks) keeps his mic switched off half an hour after he called out Ellis on that same mic to the referee. These are the things that understandably irk fans who pay a great deal of money to watch. The incident last night with Mahe being tackled in the first half near our line then getting a push in the face was a better example of just how poor Hicks is as a referee. He should have called held and then taken action a long time before that blew up. He is one of the worst referees I've ever seen regardless of whether Hull are playing or not. Unable to control a game and unable to get through any game without making key mistakes. The call that cost us was the clear obstruction Wigan did 10m from their own line towards the end of the match when we were winning by two. That was a clear penalty but he didn't want to give it. As ever the ones that aren't given are more costly than those that are.

Having slept on it;

This is the image Hull Daily Mail are using;


It's not as tucked in as some are implying but it's not high either. I think it boils down to the fact that it's the non ball carrying arm. He has the ball in his left arm and it's nothing but a poor read from Mickey Mac but clearly the message has gone out to the refs, dangerous contact will be punished. We've seen two yellows in two weeks for marginal crusher tackles. I still feel that if it was the other way round and a Wigan player had been sent off I'd support that decision but I can totally see why Hull fans feel somewhat agrieved. I have played the game and have been penalised for raising the forearm into contact.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

It isn't fixed. However Wigan, as usual, were cheating from the off an Hicks is too inept and weak to control them. I can only think of Bentham as a referee who has some idea of the nature of this bunch of grubs and they don't try it on as much with him. No wonder pie fans hate Bentham.

Watch their captain give a masterclass of grappling around the head in every tackle and how he "accidentally" manages to finish standing in the attacking sides PTB more than once. At least he got penalised at Wembley when he tried that one.

Scum of the earth are WIgan and Hicks isn't the answer to them.

hes already out cold in that picture, that's after the initial contact, did he get sent off for raising is arm after the dipshiiiiite ran into is elbow. Ref got it wrong , dipshiiiite got it wrong, 100% not a sending off no matter how you try interpret it

If mcilorums head is 6 inches higher and watts does exactly the same then he tackles watts and the game continues so is watts at fault or mcillorum?

That shot is after initial contact fyi.

Thought the sending off was a bit harsh but at the end of the day he raises his forearm and knocks a player unconscious. Sometimes you'll get the rub of the green and get away with that but you really can't complain if you don't. Calling the game fixed based on that is laughable, nobody made Watts do it especially not Hicks or the RFL, and even more ridiculous when you consider how happy you all were to see Clubb's Wembley try chalked off to give you the cup.

It's impossible to be sure that last night's sending off was the deciding factor in Hull losing in the same way it's impossible to say the Clubb disallowed try cost Wigan the Cup.

Finally someone says it. Same as when Wigan fans call the '14 GF a "moral victory" because of the sending off. Often teams up their game to account for the missing man and often teams with the advantage slack off so it's absolutely impossible to say so.

Are you for real. It took you 70 minutes to beat 12 men.if watts hadn't Been sent off and the try from a forward pass not been allowed,you would have lost easily.

But Watts was sent off and the pass wasn't forward so we won. Dry your eyes and get over it eh?

A shot of the incident (not posted by a Wigan fan) showing Watts' elbow tucked in to his torso. The shots posted so far in this thread were after initial contact: https://mobile.twitter.com/talkSPORTDri ... 7232881664

A shot of the incident (not posted by a Wigan fan) showing Watts' elbow tucked in to his torso. The shots posted so far in this thread were after initial contact: https://mobile.twitter.com/talkSPORTDri ... 7232881664

But we didn't

u need a hand looking for your dummy?

Hopefully common sense will prevail and he'll get sos

Quote ="DGM"A shot of the incident (not posted by a Wigan fan) showing Watts' elbow tucked in to his torso. The shots posted so far in this thread were after initial contact: https://mobile.twitter.com/talkSPORTDri ... 7232881664'" Not a true reflection really. His arm was maybe 8 inches away from his body. That image is from after his arm hit McIlorum where the impact pushes his arm back to his body.

Quote ="DGM"A shot of the incident (not posted by a Wigan fan) showing Watts' elbow tucked in to his torso. The shots posted so far in this thread were after initial contact: https://mobile.twitter.com/talkSPORTDri ... 7232881664'" Not a true reflection really. His arm was maybe 8 inches away from his body. That image is from after his arm hit McIlorum where the impact pushes his arm back to his body.

Jimml fix it

Quote ="DGM"A shot of the incident (not posted by a Wigan fan) showing Watts' elbow tucked in to his torso. The shots posted so far in this thread were after initial contact: https://mobile.twitter.com/talkSPORTDri ... 7232881664'" It's as though you think we haven't all seen the replay that shows his elbow moving upwards and away from his body. Look, I don't think it was malicious and while the red was a bit harsh it's also one of those decisions that you just can't complain about when they go against you. I'm sure the disciplinary will decide SOS. Trying to mislead anyone into thinking his arm was "tucked in" is just plain stupid though as we can all see otherwise with our own eyes.

Quote ="DGM"A shot of the incident (not posted by a Wigan fan) showing Watts' elbow tucked in to his torso. The shots posted so far in this thread were after initial contact: https://mobile.twitter.com/talkSPORTDri ... 7232881664'" It's as though you think we haven't all seen the replay that shows his elbow moving upwards and away from his body. Look, I don't think it was malicious and while the red was a bit harsh it's also one of those decisions that you just can't complain about when they go against you. I'm sure the disciplinary will decide SOS. Trying to mislead anyone into thinking his arm was "tucked in" is just plain stupid though as we can all see otherwise with our own eyes.

Go and munch on one of your Manky pies.how long was you sucking on your dummy after wembley

Neutral here.

But... Any malicious intent came from Mac. Watts raising arm purely instinctive with no intent. I think the seriousness of injury was a deciding factor in the dismissal, game on TV, video ref in his ear. Micky Mac is an old type RL fixer. He wants to "sort" one or two opposition hard men out, but what comes round goes round. Incidentally, I don't think Micky will blame Watts, but it will go in the memory bank.