Can't believe some are calling for Smiths head. Happened with Radford and Hodgson. Let the man get on with his job..We are not good enough ATM.

Leeds fan in peace…..thought that Litten at FB was great….caused us problems nearly every time we kicked to him..had several amazing kick returns

I'm hoping want Smith says outwardly regarding the player's effort does not reflect his true inward thoughts regarding this inept, spineless team we currently have (not every player).

We can all see it's a team just going through the motions with very few prepared to bend their backs.

The concern for me is that at the moment who is going to committ to the club. Its not as if we can say to players we will be in Super League next season.

Its a combinations of alot of things for me but its a worry when going into the recruitment field we cant guarntee contracts. Such a mess really.

Smith is different behind closed doors.

Some of these players have no shame. Their plan seems to be put on the shirt, run on to the pitch and do sweet f a. Look at the likes of Litten and see a world of difference. There will be other lads waiting for their chance and the sooner they're given that chance the better. Our season seems to have now come down to comparing our results to Wakey's as that's the only way we can avoid relegation.

Speaks for itself that the only player that walks away from that game with any credit is a 19 year old kid. Have to say hindsight is proving that our laid back approach to pre season has bitten us on the . All well and good coming into a season “undercooked” but now here we are 9 games in, and are the players any fitter? Are they playing with more invention or flare? Simply put, no. Constantly blowing and offer nothing getting out of yardage.

I just don’t get what is going on at the moment, one minute we are told Savelio is dropped for the derby/Leeds, the next it turns out he had an injury. It’s as if they think they can just make things up as they go along and take us loyal supporters who stand in the p**sing rain for a bunch of mugs. Again, communication is awful.

Get to an extent why Smith wanted to leave Sutcliffe/Carlos in centres, but bloody hell, if he hasn’t seen now that Lovodua isn’t a half back then when will he?

I see no fight in them, it’s like if we concede first it’s the game over and their heads go down, what a pathetic mentality and one that needs addressing sharply otherwise is goodbye Leeds, hello Whitehaven

None were good enough at the time, I genuinely believe had they stayed at FC they wouldn’t be half the players they are now, they’d have continued to believe their own hype and stagnated like numerous current players.

It took for them to be released to give them the motivation to turn their potential into performance. Abdull and Lewis particularity have a huge chip on their shoulder, you could tell in their interviews before the derby, being released hurt them but they got their heads down and became better players for it.

I didn’t go yesterday and didn’t even listen on radio as I decided not to let it ruin my night for a change so I can’t really comment on the performance

But I’m going to disagree with a lot of people on here. I do think our players are trying. They’re not good enough and it’s just a bunch of players, not a team.

Rovers for example are just a solid team, tackle aggressively as a unit and build from there. We just have a bunch of individuals with 0 resilience

On serious about rugby league tony smith has explained the cause of hulls demise,its not the players fault its social media putting pressure on them.Well thanks for clearing that up for us tony,im sure hull fans will feel a bit better now.

Forget the coach and the players, this comes down to recruitment.

Adam Pearson and James Clark are responsible for this mess, they’ve made 5/6 years of terrible recruitment decisions that have taken a top 4 side to a below average squad, half of which is out of contract at the same time, it’s an absolute shambles.

Clark needs firing and Pearson needs to sell, neither are capable of sorting this out.

It does seem as though they are becoming a feeder club for us,anyone would think they had small club syndrome.Still iam prepared to say thank you.

But our worst players are also likes of Houghton lane mcnamara

So it's not all about recruitment

Yes likes of mcintosh, Evans lovodua have been poor signings esp the first 2

I still think Smith needs to take some of the blame, consistently picking under performing players, I fail to see how the likes of Barron, Balmforth and Staverley and Scott could do any worst that Mcintosh, Houghton, Lovodua and Lane. We look alot worse than either seasons under Hodgson. Ge handling of the Savelio situation is really poor, picking out one player and criticising him I'm public.

It's OK saying he needs to bring his own players in, but we have to get well clear if relegation or players won't come, we look in real danger as it stands and sadly relying on Leigh to do us a favour.

He has to turn us around, a good coach should be able to motivate and improve players, we look worse in both areas.

Recruitment and retention, its the same thing, both have been poor.

Ok so it’s retention as well as recruitment. It all boils down to giving contracts to the wrong people. Sometimes it’s the wrong length of contract that’s the issue. Scott Taylor springs to mind.

Just a thought guys, Don’t forget/under estimate the role of Davidson as S&C coach….in the last few years at Leeds our injury record and fitness was generally poor under him. he seemed to do a good job in that role many years ago, but times and the game has changed…..maybe his methods haven’t changed adequately and/or at to suit the modern game??

Clearly Tony Smith loves him as they were together at Huddersfield and he was one of the first back room coaching appointments he made when bringing him across with him to the Rhinos.

Obviously bonaire is the answer

Intresting stats, lots of metres made, not surprisingly lots of errors and missed tackles.

Some real lazy efforts form the forwards. IWhy is McNamara taking 22 hit ups, whilst does Satae 9 for example.

The youngsters idea is a wierd one as throwing them in for the sake of it helps nobody. Barron looked so raw and out of place last season it would be criminal to throw him in.

I dont buy your last comment either, the attitude of the players is appalling. If they dont want to do something it doesnt happen. Dan Tomlinson said ut best earlier if Smith fails here its says more about our club then it does him.

Now people can say things wasnt as bad under previous coaches but they was. Infact we had many of long losing streaks.

They is a rotten culture at the club from the players and even on the terraces. It was never an overnight fix and anybody (and they was alot of you) who thought we would be any different under smith this season are deluded. He cant just wave a magic wand change how we attack, defend, attitude and fitness in the space of 6 months.

That's what Mcintosh looks like every game, had a couple of really pathetic efforts yesterday and offers little in attack

Same with Lane over Savelio.

Lovodua at 6.

We usually finish the season poorly, but this seems like the worst start I can remember, at least we are still usually I'm play off contention I June, season over apart from a relegation battle .

When can we start to critised Smith, when we are relegated?

I'm having sleepless nights that we might have a summer drop off in form



Only bright spot is we haven't had Hoy, Clifford and Trueman on the pitch together yet. But we could have Slater, Johns and Lockyer and they'd still struggle if the pack isn't on top.

stop criticising the coach
you upset the old die hards on here

Match highlights. Would have been apt to add Benny Hill music. https://www.superleague.co.uk/article/3 ... -v-hull-fc

Match highlights. Would have been apt to add Benny Hill music. https://www.superleague.co.uk/article/3 ... -v-hull-fc

You got ya favour.