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| Quote ="*1865*"I'm not sure I can take this post seriously.
I could maybe debate the Grix one, but better than Escare & Bowen?
Rankin ain't a 6, he's proven that many a time, Abdull's nowhere near ready enough to play in the middle and i'm not sure taking Westy away from his best position will help anything.'"
Bowen error prone and is slow, his positioning is also questionable as pointed out on sky last night.
Escare is a runner who cannot tackle one on one.
Rankin has never played with Sneyd or any other or organising half, he has always played with another runner. Abdul is too slow to play at halfback, needs to be at LF. I personally prefer Westernsn out wide. Luckily I didn't take your post seriously when you stated Hadley was going to be a superstar!
What would your team be for the next game then.
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| Quote ="*1865*"I'm not sure I can take this post seriously.
I could maybe debate the Grix one, but better than Escare & Bowen?
Rankin ain't a 6, he's proven that many a time, Abdull's nowhere near ready enough to play in the middle and i'm not sure taking Westy away from his best position will help anything.'"
You are uncharacteristically downbeat today 1865. What's up?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Bowen error prone and is slow, his positioning is also questionable as pointed out on sky last night.'"
Yet he was still in a different league to our FB,
Quote ="Dave K."Escare is a runner who cannot tackle one on one.'"
Neither can Shaul, but Escare can pass, is quicker and is better in support. Far better than Shaul.
Quote ="Dave K."Rankin has never played with Sneyd or any other or organising half, he has always played with another runner.'"
He's not going to suddenly become better at passing, decision making and kicking because he's playing outside Sneyd.
Quote ="Dave K."Abdul is too slow to play at halfback, needs to be at LF.'"
He's not fit enough to play LF, better for now wider where a decent centre & second row can help out. Can't afford to carry passengers in the pack.
Quote ="Dave K."I personally prefer Westerman out wide.'"
That may be the case, but he's undoubtedly enjoyed his best form at 13, he was called up to rep duty because of it.
Quote ="Dave K."Luckily I didn't take your post seriously when you stated Hadley was going to be a superstar!'"
He's been injured for 85% of the season, but you feel free to bag off one of our young players to try and have a dig.
Quote ="Dave K."What would your team be for the next game then.'"
As it was last night.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"You are uncharacteristically downbeat today 1865. What's up?'"
We had nearly 50 put on us last night, for a start!
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| Can't help but agree with the points 1865 makes about Shaul but we don't have a specialist for him to learn from, McDonnell would have being ideal and yes SM is the better all round FB by far. As I pointed out last season Shaul had a habit of pulling out or not bothering with tackling on the line, that's a mindset issue not one about bravery, his passing can be improved as can positioning but that needs a coaching team to be able to identify it it and a coach to actually implement modifications & improvements, again, that's not something we currently possess as a club.
All that said, Shaul isn't the worst by any stretch, probably could be a top 6 FB with work/experience, he's still young but we do need to get him under the wing of someone that knows what's what, that could be applied to quite a few in the squad though tbh.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Quote ="Diogenes"You are uncharacteristically downbeat today 1865. What's up?'"
We had nearly 50 put on us last night, for a start!'"
Sure the result and the scoreline were disappointing but the performance was probably better than the Good Friday derby, the second half of the home league match v Leeds, the cup match v Leeds, Salford away, Huddersfield at home and Wakey away.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Yet he was still in a different league to our FB,
Neither can Shaul, but Escare can pass, is quicker and is better in support. Far better than Shaul.
He's not going to suddenly become better at passing, decision making and kicking because he's playing outside Sneyd.
He's not fit enough to play LF, better for now wider where a decent centre & second row can help out. Can't afford to carry passengers in the pack.
That may be the case, but he's undoubtedly enjoyed his best form at 13, he was called up to rep duty because of it.
He's been injured for 85% of the season, but you feel free to bag off one of our young players to try and have a dig.
As it was last night.'"
Don't agree with you at all so will to agree to disagree.
For the record, I have never bagged Hadley (Please show me where I have), but he will never be a superstar that you claim.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Sure the result and the scoreline were disappointing but the performance was probably better than the Good Friday derby, the second half of the home league match v Leeds, the cup match v Leeds, Salford away, Huddersfield at home and Wakey away.'"
I agree, i'm far more frustrated than them games though. There seemed to be an attitude of 'we've done what we set out to do this year' for 70 minutes of the game.
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| Quote ="*1865*"He'd be my preference, but he's not top class. You're kidding yourself if you think he is or could be. He'll never be as good as Hardaker or Tomkins, they're top class.
Tbf, there's not many in the league that are, but I'd rather have Bowen, Hardaker, Tomkins, Dorn, Lomax, Grix and Escare over Shaul.'"
I never said anything about how I rated Shaul. Just pointing out what our owner said about him last night. As it happens I don't rate him all that highly myself ATM but he has time to improve. And frankly I'd have him over Escare and possibly Dorn even now.
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| Shaul aint that bad at all. Jeez. His link play needs work. Thats all. His 1on 1 aint to bad. His instinctive support play is top notch. Has some x factor about him and been really good under the high ball
bowen has been in the most part terrible at wigan. He even had errors last night in a coasting game.
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| If Shaul was available which I believe he will be, most clubs would want him and would want to pay big. He's a massive talent, he just has that kind of ability. What's genuinely annoying about the whole thing is that although he's a bit rough round the edges he's improved other areas of his game and for all he's critised not exactly a liability, which IMO even if he was would be worth carrying for his ability in broken play alone, and there's still time to improve.
When he is sold it will be a sad indictment on the coach, the owner and by judging by some fans opinions that famous 'Hull fan' mentality that has contributed to many talented young players downfall.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"Shaul aint that bad at all. Jeez. His link play needs work. Thats all. His 1on 1 aint to bad. His instinctive support play is top notch. Has some x factor about him and been really good under the high ball
bowen has been in the most part terrible at wigan. He even had errors last night in a coasting game.'"
Surprised you can even remember what shaul is like as a player
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| Cricky some will see that as he wants out out out lol
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| Quote ="hull2524"Cricky some will see that as he wants out out out lol'"
Now that's put to bed what will the negative crew talk about next? Yeamos extension? Ha
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Now that's put to bed what will the negative crew talk about next? Yeamos extension? Ha'"
You're right there. Extending his contract would be a massive negative.
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| I was talking to Yeaman yesterday, was a really good bloke with a good attitude, said he doesn't think he will play centre this season as Logan should play there, is targeting the backrow for the rest of the season and next.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I was talking to Yeaman yesterday, was a really good bloke with a good attitude, said he doesn't think he will play centre this season as Logan should play there, is targeting the backrow for the rest of the season and next.'"
Should be targeting retirement IMO. No way is he an SL standard backrow.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Surprised you can even remember what shaul is like as a player'"
Its getting hard to remember but ive not had a problem with it. Heard a story regarding his attitude.But he isnt the only kid to be a bit full of himself and hes paid the price. Id start playing him now though. Rankin isnt here yet and I might be alone but rankin isnt all that. More time goes on more things stand out to me about his game and since he ain't here next anyway shaul should start playing. Maybe even play naughton so shaul has extra to think about in the offseason and create more competition
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| Quote ="Kosh"Should be targeting retirement IMO. No way is he an SL standard backrow.'"
He and the club think he has something to offer, most of his salary will be off cap, I reckon as a back up centre and backrower he will be ok.
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| Naughton starting at Fullback today for Donny against Leigh.
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| Quote ="Dave K."He and the club think he has something to offer.'"
They've thought the same for the last several seasons. They've been wrong.
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| Quote ="Kosh"They've thought the same for the last several seasons. They've been wrong.'"
As a starting centre yes, as a squad player with hardly any money on the cap it's not a bad move.
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| Quote ="Dave K."As a starting centre yes, as a squad player with hardly any money on the cap it's not a bad move.'"
I'd have no problem giving Yeaman a 1 year deal on a reduced contract but only as a squad player. Even after we sign another 3/4 we are still a little short of numbers in that department. Interesting that he see's his future in the back row.
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| Quote ="Carmine Galante"If Shaul was available which I believe he will be, most clubs would want him and would want to pay big. He's a massive talent, he just has that kind of ability. What's genuinely annoying about the whole thing is that although he's a bit rough round the edges he's improved other areas of his game and for all he's critised not exactly a liability, which IMO even if he was would be worth carrying for his ability in broken play alone, and there's still time to improve.
When he is sold it will be a sad indictment on the coach, the owner and by judging by some fans opinions that famous 'Hull fan' mentality that has contributed to many talented young players downfall.'"
Bang on post. I just hope the bit that is wrong is the 'when he is sold' bit. Be a big mistake by the club.
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