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| Quote ="EXPRO"I wonder what you would say if we announced we had signed a certain Australian test captain, SOO captain and player of the year umpteenth times ?? who is past 30 with injuries all over his past'"
We've signed Wally Lewis!!
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| Quote ="Smiggs"We've signed Wally Lewis!!'"
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Not every player can suddenly become a leader and organiser. That's why only some players play in those roles while others don't. Surely that is a given isn't it ?'"
You are exactly right, even at pub level a team will have a couple of gobes who lead the team around even on pub crawls, if they are missing then it becomes a headless chicken and they end up on Holderness road
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| Quote ="EXPRO"You are exactly right, even at pub level a team will have a couple of gobes who lead the team around even on pub crawls, if they are missing then it becomes a headless chicken and they end up on Holderness road
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Not really. I firmly believe that players can change their game temporarily to fill a gap based on the correct practice and coaching. Obviously not the the high standard of a natural player in that position but as a stop gap. Thats back to the point before where i firmly believe a combination of Horne, Washy, Berro, Turner, Whiting should all be good enough to give some creativity in attack.
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However we have been unlucky to have rarely seen any of those on the park at the same time this season, AND when we have we have looked good however Whiting cant be creative on the wing, Washy isnt a creator as much as folk would like to think he is , Turner is still very young but maturing quickly and Berrigan has been very very unlucky with injuries and bereavment ..
excuses NO facts YES!!
and those being the missing links you believe leaves me to say that you cannot take someone and make them a half back if they have never played there it does not work, hence why Hall isnt at stand off, Yeaman at 2nd row etc etc
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| Quote ="Smiggs"We've signed Wally Lewis!!'"
Best player i ever saw!!
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| Quote ="EXPRO"I beg to differ Dave, its always nice to have some dancing half backs doing their stuff and centres breaking lines left right and centre however i would choose winning ugly over losing in lights every day of the week , =#0000FFI cant believe you would rather play fancy footie but loose just to prove a point?? doesnt make sense'"
Pretty sure he doesn't think that at all. I reckon he wants what all of us do, which is both good rugby and wins. Of the 2 though, he'd prioritise flowing rugby, for both the entertainment value and the fact that we continually see with teams who concentrate on performances, that results tend to follow.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"He'll be missing a few games next season.'"
I know Sheldon, time and injuries must catch up on him too but I am sure you will have seen my point, age does not matter to a degree its physical condition that matters , Whiting picked up massive injuries in his mid twenties .. you know what I mean a player cant control what injuries he gets but age defines the recovery period
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Pretty sure he doesn't think that at all. I reckon he wants what all of us do, which is both good rugby and wins. Of the 2 though, he'd prioritise flowing rugby, for both the entertainment value and the fact that we continually see with teams who concentrate on performances, that results tend to follow.'"
Summed up very nicely, thanks.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Not really. I firmly believe that players can change their game temporarily to fill a gap based on the correct practice and coaching.'"
I knew Arthur should have moved Keith Bridges to scrum half after Terry Hudson cleaned Kevin Harkin out at Wembley in '83. He could have done a jobe there.
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I agree it aint just about half backs.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"I knew Arthur should have moved Keith Bridges to scrum half after Terry Hudson cleaned Kevin Harkin out at Wembley in '83. He could have done a jobe there.
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If Keith Bridges had trained at scrum half all week i'm sure he'd have played better there than if he hadn't have trained at 7 all week.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Pretty sure he doesn't think that at all. I reckon he wants what all of us do, which is both good rugby and wins. Of the 2 though, he'd prioritise flowing rugby, for both the entertainment value and the fact that we continually see with teams who concentrate on performances, that results tend to follow.'"
i know he is a fan as well mate, and i feel like he does to be honest , this week has been tough going so far hasnt it but at 6 games to go to have played ugly and be in the playoffs i am much happier than to have played ugly and been the whipping boys like last year and we are where we are in SL because we are a much tougher unit to break down than last time !!
if we had half backs at all on the park for any length of time we would be in top 2 I am sure of that
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"If Keith Bridges had trained at scrum half all week i'm sure he'd have played better there than if he hadn't have trained at 7 all week.
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it would have took Keith a week to get to the other side of the scrum
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"If Keith Bridges had trained at scrum half all week i'm sure he'd have played better there than if he hadn't have trained at 7 all week.
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Nice one.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"it would have took Keith a week to get to the other side of the scrum
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Nice one.
As a matter of interest are you suggesting that Berro and Washy weren't training at half back last week ? - that of course would have been plain daft.'"
IF they did you'd have to question what exactly the training consisted of as they looked like they'd never met.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"IF they did you'd have to question what exactly the training consisted of as they looked like they'd never met.'"
So it was down to the players then - maybe they just weren't quite able to play out of position to the required standard at SL level ?
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"So it was down to the players then - maybe they just weren't quite able to play out of position to the required standard at SL level ?'"
Players not playing well. Coach not training properly. I dont really know the answer and i dont really care, i just want us to resolve our issues with the fit players that we have.
Our halfback partnerships didnt look up to Hull & District league standard never mind SL level.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Our halfback partnerships didnt look up to Hull & District league standard never mind SL level.'"
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"At the risk of been arguementative i've played in a lot of pub teams that have never ended up down Holderness road even if the leaders go missing. The rest of the team normally steps up to make the right decisions!!
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well said,
sorry if i took it out on your posts Dave, not really meaning to attack you I know where your heart lies and its as black and white as mine pal and were both disapointed arent we as this week should have been a build up to a ass kicking for HKR off the back of a good win at Wakefield however its a slow death till Thursday I fear , just think were better than some make out Dave we just cant get past our injury jinx can we year after year and it makes us look worse than we actually are.
But my apologies Dave i take back my friendly digs at your posts pal
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| Quote ="EXPRO"icon_lol.gif well said,
sorry if i took it out on your posts Dave, not really meaning to attack you I know where your heart lies and its as black and white as mine pal and were both disapointed arent we as this week should have been a build up to a ass kicking for HKR off the back of a good win at Wakefield however its a slow death till Thursday I fear , just think were better than some make out Dave we just cant get past our injury jinx can we year after year and it makes us look worse than we actually are.
But my apologies Dave i take back my friendly digs at your posts pal'"
No need to apologise mate.
I still think we aren't good enough!
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| I don't think you can place enough importance on having your first choice halfback pairing, With Horne and Long playing the majority of games this season I believe we would have played better rugby and we would have a better points difference.
The problem we have is as soon as we lose Long in particular we seem to lack any nouse and cohesion and end up playing like strangers. Now I know we can't expect it to be as good as when Long or Horne are playing but it has to look better than it did on Saturday. To me Saturday was not about halves but about attitude and enthusiasm. We looked drained after about 25 mins and had no energy whatsoever.
I am expecting a massive improvement for Thursday and believe they team will turn up and deliver a performance, the thing is we can't keep going through season after season with Horne in the stands and our SH in the stands.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I don't think you can place enough importance on having your first choice halfback pairing, With Horne and Long playing the majority of games this season I believe we would have played better rugby and we would have a better points difference.
The problem we have is as soon as we lose Long in particular we seem to lack any nouse and cohesion and end up playing like strangers. Now I know we can't expect it to be as good as when Long or Horne are playing but it has to look better than it did on Saturday. To me Satursay was not about halves but about attitude and enthusiasm. We looked drained after about 25 mins and had no energy whatsoever.
I am expecting a massive improvement for Thursday and believe they team will turn up and deliver a performance, the thing is we can't keep going through season after season with Horne in the stands and out SH in the stands.'"
Pack was beaten on Saturday for the reasons you mention and if it gets beaten on Thursday it will be the same result. Much more impact required.
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