Think people are been a bit harsh on Litten, Connors 40/20 was sublime and their kicking game was clever. They chose to kick short and make it a contest and he gave a good account of himself in regards to that.

He’s a definitely a running threat but at the minute doesn’t offer much hall playing ability.

Also Joey clearly isn’t good enough but it’s ludicrous to focus on him for yesterday’s performance. He’s a hooker that can play second row. He’s had to jump into the centres in a poor side.

We’re just not an honest side, they need to stop trying to cut corners. Sometimes it’s better to play through a team/enjoy the arm wrestle than try play round them

The opening set of 6 set the tone for us for the rest of the match, bad passing, struggling to get out of our 20-30m line, it's obvious how badly we need more size and aggression in the pack. A pack containing too many lightweights like fash, cator, lovodua and lane...and then having two hookers on at the same time with the best of the two playing at 13 won't worry many teams in the league.

The bit I underlined highlights the poor choices that Clifford makes when he kicks. Its always straight down the pitch and he never seems to attempt a 40/20. I'm not bagging him as such as I believe he's a very good player and offers a lot to the team, its just this thing that irks me.

That was one of the most mediocre games of rugby I have ever seen. Mostly in the middle of the pitch and the difference was Giants couple of 40:20s allowing them to build a bit of pressure. There was so little sustained pressure from either side even the defence was nothing to get excited about. Giants deservedly won. Trueman should be fined for his stupidity.

Agree the opening to the game with that sloppy and awful pass and players just looking at each other to collect it showed the players just weren't switched on at all, we've seen it enough over the years. Though usually that lead on to a hammering but at least under Smith there is resolve to dig in within the team when things aren't going so well instead of just giving up.

It certainly didn't help losing Sutcliffe and Scott in the 2nd half. As you say size and aggression has been a big issue for us since even before the start of the season further compounded by not replacing Evans and also Griffins subsequent ban and release.

It was weird as you found a 10-15 minute period in the first half when you scored twice which was the blueprint to play against Huddersfield, they aren’t a fast team or upwardly mobile team so keeping it alive with runners off shoulders and offloads work well, they have plenty of defenders not interested in doing the little things well.

Then you completely moved away from it and didn’t build any pressure what so ever.

Trueman - great assist but other than that thought he was dire. Satae looked like he was unplayable against cas and then utilised all wrong last night. Just felt a weird performance like it was a pre season try stuff and see, which isn’t that uncommon under a TS coaches team to be fair

Decent post, think it went wrong when Dywer went to 9, lost all structure.

Pack is still our problem, Halfbacks can't play behind a pack that doesn't lay the platform, no forward made more
metres than Trueman last night other than Cator.

And Dave unfortunately this is our problem, although the heart showed in almost all games by Fash, Lane, Cator cannot be questioned this trio of players while all playing together, will never trouble teams, especially in games which define your season, and without Griffin now as well. In a good side perhaps one of these lads gets a bench spot,

Last night during the warm up, Andre looked totally disinterested, then maybe I read to much into these things, the game was really poor with few coming out with credit, I’ve not watched it back yet, and probably won’t lol, but regarding the Truey incident which sort of did for us, was this a penalty as was awarded, or should it have been a scrum, as he knocked on, I’ll maybe fast forward to that incident as I missed it.

As an aside what on earth is up with JJB as his trousers seem to be giving him some discomfort, I suppose after some good performances we was due a poor one, let’s hope we can energise for Wakey, give a couple of young guns a debut maybe.

Definitely a penalty on Trueman, no idea what he was doing.

Absolutely stupid thing to do



Just knocked the ball out of their players hands.

No way he would get away with it.

It's depressing going from minchello manu and Ellis as our back 3

To now savelio lane fash/cator

Don't you'll have our fans crying about that

They love our hull born and bred players no matter how limited they are

Got to say Dwyer has proved the best and worst aspects of his game over the last 3 matches, the derby he was the spark we needed to get over the line, however yesterday he was just a headless chicken. I admire his energy and willingness to create but the reality is that when he's not on it (which is quite often) he is more of a hinderance to the team then anything.

Went to Donny races on train yesterday, last race 5-20pm and were then going to get the 18-02 from Donny to arrive Huddersfield 19-15.
Watched it in a Donny pub and was glad we never bothered to be fair.

Should of been in the Magic Rock Brewing stand buddy and suffered like the rest of us.

Seems Sutcliffe may be out for a while, compound fracture of one of his fingers, there was no news on Scott but he didn't look great as he limped off. 3 first choice centres potentially out of our next game, wonder what options Smith is thinking of.
Might be a little early for Wakokoke but he might not have much choice.

Smith had said that Scott was just severe cramp and they’d tried all remedies to keep him on but he’d got to the point he couldnt run so they brought him off. Sutcliffe might not be out long apparently. According to TS "The doctor did a good job. It's nasty-looking, but the doctor also tells me that you can sometimes be alright next week. We'll see. Fingers crossed for him."

Hopefully Scott will be okay for next week, if Carlos and Sutcliffe don't make it could it be a chance for Wynne to prove himself? Has that ship sailed?

Think they ship has definitely sailed. If neither Carlos & Sutcliffe aren’t fit I’d hope we’d bring a player up from the reserves such as Wacokecoke.

Really disappointed with Trueman’s penalty at the end, which ultimately led to us losing the game. It was at a pivotal time, 12-12, and we just pushed them back 30m from a penalty. The game was in the balance and he needlessly does that. Shows a lack of effort and wanting an easy way out, which is the most disappointing thing - he’s impressed so far up until that and was better than Clifford in the game. I hope Tony give him a rocket.

Really disappointed with Trueman’s penalty at the end, which ultimately led to us losing the game. It was at a pivotal time, 12-12, and we just pushed them back 30m from a penalty. The game was in the balance and he needlessly does that. Shows a lack of effort and wanting an easy way out, which is the most disappointing thing - he’s impressed so far up until that and was better than Clifford in the game. I hope Tony give him a rocket.

I reckon Carlos and Scott will be the centres, but would be interesting to see Wacokecoke have a go.

I think it was a flat performance. Players leaving, new players may be coming in all upsetting the balance. But as TS says and he is the expert coach of many years going off piste with the game plan didnt help. I get the Dwyer comments opposition dont know what hes doing nor his team mates. also the forwards seemed to lack enthusiasm in some periods of that game - where was Satae of the Cas game.
still happy with the trajectory just not the bumps of our performances

Satae was on the field but every carry he took was from a standing start.
Thats just been lazy and cant be bothered to get into a ball receiving position to run onto the ball