I’ve read most of the sentiments this morning, and the majority are from true supporters who can’t really understand how we keep under performing and dishing out such flat, uncommitted, efforts.

The unbelievable fact remains, should we have won either of the last two games, we are in second place in the league, how can this be, with our misfiring side. A very poor competition this season, and we are well and truly part of it.

Tevita looked good, whilst probably needing more game time, and Jamie pulled off some good tackles, and found a couple of killer passes, which most of us thought he was incapable of.

The absence of Griffin and Ratu was a blow, though Jack Logan did all he could.

We are a different side with Albert playing, we lack ideas in attack, although I would rate last nights performance, better than the Salford debacle.

What the hell was Connor involved in at the end of the match, he seemed to be gesticulating to a fan to come and have a go, then he walked over and seemed to smooth it over ffs.

Our coach will be under pressure now, as this really was in my opinion the last chance saloon in the play off standings, were not good enough anyway, so end the season, with the old play the A team, why not.

There have been a multitude of reasons why we have fizzled out this season, releasing Hadley, Green, Litten, during the season, three Hull lads, disposed of, can’t help the equilibrium, whilst the future must come, the present suffers.

Sika, Mini, Mickey P, all reaching retirement together, but all doing their very best to give it one last shot.

Others also know it’s farewell, and probably the one percent isn’t there anymore.

Connor, this guy is an enigma, a GB international, rumoured to be attracting a half million bid, yet can’t string any kind of a run together in his chosen position, I would stick him in the reserves, attitude appalling, and guilty of believing his own hype.

Scotty has been bang average nearly all season, he used to terrorise teams on his own, he’s been outshone by Mickey P all season, Mickey P who was told he was surplus to requirements, and look for another club, but has given his very best.

I’ll not call for Radders head, I’ll leave that to others, but something is not right behind the scenes, perhaps it will come out in the wash.

Finally to Huddersfield, a team fighting for their lives, well done, your small band of hardy supporters deserved to celebrate.

Embarrassed.

Cut and paste from previous weeks !!

Were fans booing the team? I was on the concourse by that point and wondered if it were the team or idiots blaming the ref (who I thought had a good game)

So you agree that if we finish 7th were underperforming ?

The middle of the table is often where there is most bunching, so I think positions can be misleading, especially if you’re only one win behind a couple of teams or it comes down to points difference.

For where Hull are in their cycle, I think 15 wins from 27 is pretty decent. As a club looking to compete nearer the top of the league, I agree you’re in need of renewal, and you are having a bit of changing of the guard in the squad. I suspect it feels worse than it is because your home form has been very poor (as noted on another thread).

Boos at the hooter were definitely for the team.

atmosphere was so poor last night that I don't even think I heard the Ref get the usual insults! you know its a bad night when that happens

I left the ground, last night totally perplexed and deflated and, yes, at one of the lowest ebbs in 60 years of support. I’ve posted my opinion on the “Radford out” thread so won’t go over old ground. To Mrs B. I took my brother, who is seriously ill and although a season pass holder attended only his second game this season. What a load of we witnessed from an half assed bunch of so called professionals. It was totally abject and these players are totally molly coddled with upto date resources, probably up there with the best. AP has funded the training facilities with no expense spared. We are up there with this so called top 4 you keep harping on about. Get down off your high horse and smell the coffee, pun intended. Do not belittle anyone who has an opinion opposite to yourself. We all have our own ideas and feelings, respect them. To Jake, the boos at the end of the game came from the East stand, directed at the team.

Correct that it feels worse as the Home form is so much worse than the Away. In the table of course points are points and doesn't matter where you play to earn them. But its Home games that sets the mood of the fans, and sells the corporate boxes, tickets & merchandise, and we are having a shocker.

Sort of. I guess what I'm saying is long term the top 4 are the top 4 resource wise. There's then a group of mid table sides like us, Cas, Wakefield. Cas own their own ground so their balance sheet looks a bit healthier but in terms of accumulated losses we're all about the same around £2m. No idea about Catalans as they are obviously registered in France. You're then into the ones perennially in the bottom group - Rovers, Hudds, London. - with much heftier losses. So there are groups of clubs and bandings of finances which broadly correlate to long term performance. We're in the middle one and will finish in a mid table position. I understand the PR of the club, coupled with recent silverware, create a sense of expectation that's not aligned to this, but in the long term the paradigm is hard to argue against. We have no assets other than the fans so our support is disproportionately important to keeping the whole thing going.

Nobody has been belittled. So much over reaction on here at times.

If people post an opinion they can't expect everyone to agree.

Indeed. I'm lucky in that I can get to most away games but the real pain is that we've reserved our best home performances - the Derby, 5 back to back tries v Leeds - for much earlier in the season. It's a big off season ahead for pass sales Leeds will get their shizzle together, Wigan will be transformed by Hastings, Saints will continue to have the best squad and Warrington remain supremely well financed. We will need to pedal harder just to stand still IMO.

It’s not an over reaction, merely a statement that everyone has a reason to feel as they do, I stated mine. Mrs. B did belittle Chris71 for stating he was at his lowest for 40 years. Disagreement doesn’t include belittlement. Funny you replied and not Coffee Woman.

It's not a so-called top 4. Both in terms of finances and SL achievements (GF appearances and wins) they are the top 4. My feeling is not one of the lowest in decades, more that we are roughly where I expected to be in the league, so fairly ambivalent. But I do feel a little optimism that our pack, cited by many including me as a reason we wouldn't challenge this year, will be better next.

All true and I seem to remember you telling a former CEO that in a salary capped sport that the coach is the differentiator but currently were not differentiated from our peers

ComeOnYouUll belittled Chris71 initially, funnily enough Barista followed up with the same sentiments not long after.

Strange isn't it

Correct. We're in the pack with our financial peers.

Perhaps we both thought straightaway of the club being hours from.extinction? It's possible.

Different times, different feelings. At that time in the club’s history, I was very much upbeat, knowing that we would survive. Unlike now when all I can see is dross and nothing changing. I can’t see anything other than that with the incumbent coach. From any financial aspect, I see us up there with best but you just carry on telling us how it is and not deal with what’s posted.

So Radford not a good coach then? Average at best? Are salford one of our financial peers?

Nobody on here gets more abuse than Mrs Barista. I note that you resort to name calling whilst complaining about people being belittled.

I wasn't upbeat when we were hours from extinction - the Gateshead news came completely out of the blue for me. You see us up there with the best financially - I don't agree based on published accounts, relative owner wealth etc. i don't think anyone has yet examined the fact that in terms of dominance in the SL era there are 4 top clubs (Bradford now not being in the top tier), and these 4 clubs are the only ones that need to file full accounts due to their size (turnover, assets, employees). We are not in this group.

He's done well to win back to back Challenge Cups, certainly. Salford aren't a peer, no. We are underperforming vs them, but overperforming vs Leeds.

I used “Coffee Woman” because I’d already referred to her as “Mrs B” in the post and didn’t want to use the same name in context. Your defence of MRS. BARISTA is becoming boring and a bit of a tell tale sign. No name calling by me intended.

I'm pretty sure its Leeds underperforming against the rest of sl rather than anything were doing