Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.

I know what you mean but that is often not possible from a long kick down field. It has to be the back three on the first/second tackle usually.

12. Fitzgibbon if he stays
13. Westerman

Hame to go and his money put towards a half,
is Burnett ooc this year?

But that is not practical from kick returns, which is normally the only time that Sharp does take it in. Forwards cant rush back, after doing the tackles in the defensive set, to get to a position where the can run on to the ball at pace - not possible.

For my rugby team, every kick return (unless we make a break from the initial return) is a 'Rabbit' set - which is, winger, centre full back from one side take scoots alternate ways. Then when the forwards have had their breather they are back in a position to contribute to the set.

With respect, your team aren't earning £80k a season each. It's frustrating watching our lot meander back into position and hardly ever rushing to form a scrum.

So you expect a forward to turn around & back track 40-50m within a few seconds, get set & stand deep enough to take it up with pace on the 1st

I don't know of many forwards who could actually physically do that never mind actually calculating its effectiveness comparatively to a decent winger taking it up with much more pace & who frankly has a way better chance of breaking the line than a prop blowing out his arris after struggling back especially in the last 1/4 of a game.
Have you tried yourself, I know I have in the dim & distant past and it's a blessed relief the FB & wingers are there to do that and rightly so.

Are we talking to set the scrum, or to play the ball?

Quote ="Standee"Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.'" Funny that. Only made 44 metres less then Briscoe, with 6 more carries from dummy half. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote ="Standee"Fair enough, I don't agree, he doesn't make many metres, I'd rather see a prop coming onto the ball at pace.'" Funny that. Only made 44 metres less then Briscoe, with 6 more carries from dummy half. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011

Quote ="tommyfromhull"Funny that. Only made 44 metres less then Briscoe, with 6 more carries from dummy half. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Do You think that making less yardage in 30% more carries proves your point tom?

Quote ="tommyfromhull"Funny that. Only made 44 metres less then Briscoe, with 6 more carries from dummy half. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011'" Do You think that making less yardage in 30% more carries proves your point tom?

I think making nearly as many metres as an international in the same amount of games does, regardless of how many carries it takes.

Means he's perceived as a weak link hence he gets kicked to more

Can be perceived as whatever people want to perceive him as, I am confident he will develop into an even better player, especially outside Gleeson.

Let's hope so. At 24 he should be planning his retirement

Hopefully Gleeson can give him tips on how to age gracefully too

Or how to increase your pension pot

From my descriptive clearly was detailing a PTB situation, I agree forwards should be making efforts to get back to form a scrum when time is short but that is generally in the last few minutes.
My point was you disagreed with earlier posters with regard to one of the back three taking the ball up on 1st/2nd tackle after a kick downfield. I was pointing out how that was not only extremely difficult for a forward to be in a position to do so but also the effectiveness of such.

As much as I hope he has a good game, for me he doesn't do enough for a quota player. Never runs his weight and again only did 20 mins yest. Not good enough! Just watched the game on Sky and it was mentioned that he was only included cos Turner had pulled out?!

The more I see him, the more disappointed I am. He's a lazy pudding. Compare him to Manu and Moa, no contest. Other guys his size in the league do far more than Hame.

Not worth another contract!

I made that comparison yesterday: Moa was looking for work and took two drives to Lauaki's none. He also tackled a player on the right side of defence and then moved across field to make the tackle on the left, all the time Lauaki was running around like a headless chicken.

He can go for me, definitely not worth a quota place.

He can go as far as i care,for someone of his size and strength he doesnt make the inroads and disapears a lot during the game,We have given him his ''opportunity knocks',And he is supposed to be trying to impress for another contract

Didn't do anything wrong in his short spell yesterday, but we can do far better for the salary he is on. Would be the first on my list to go at the end of the season.

Agreed.

why cant you just be happy like the rest of us?? why do some have to chip away for any reason they can find, unfekkinbelievable
apart from the fact he had a good game too

Props go through too much work. You need to spread the work load otherwise you won't get the best out of your props. I'd rather see our wingers and full backs taking in kick returns and the early part of the tackle where all of the opposition defence isn't fully set so they can take advantage of that little bit of extra open space.

I'd rather keep our props fresh so they can be more effective when REALLY needed, which isn't in the first two drives after a kick. You can't expect our forwards to do all the work, otherwise they'd be completely knackered, and then people would moan that they aren't fit enough. It's tactics, and they are used by pretty much every club at every level because they are smart and efficient ones.

My original post was on the 9th April.

I'll still stand by my opinion though.

Agreed doesn't run his size he's a typical example of having all the attributes of been a top quality player but doesn't really have the heart for it, you need both to succeed in this game at the top level, as somebody has already said the heart and desire that moa shows is a great example of this, and I know that lauaki is on a fairly large contract one of the better payed players, which we could use far more effectively IMO.