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| Quote ="hull2524"binman, tuime, manu,washy, green,'"
It wont be Carlos,Manu,Washbrook or Green Talanoa possibly definately Griffin
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| Not much mention of Jamie Shaul. A couple of breakaway tries a season isnt good enough.
Not saying he should go but he seriously needs to up his game and not live on Wembley 2016.
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| Quote ="ccs"...made me cringe.'"
I see Bill and Ben are out to play tonight
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| Quote ="bonaire"It wont be Carlos,Manu,Washbrook or Green Talanoa possibly definately Griffin'"
So who's left?
I can't see it being:
faraimo
shaul
taylor
houghton
You've said it won't be carlos, manu, washbrook or green so leaves
abdul
harris
litten
masi
fash
lane
and a couple of other youngsters, none of whom will free up any significant salary cap
griffin who will be on a wedge
hadley who will be at the lower end of the senior players salaries
shaul who was radford's best man so can't see him going anywhere
talanoa who should never have been given a contract but I can't see his attitude being in question
Could all be p1ss and wind from pearson and end up with a few fringe players going and no one of any significance being signed
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"
Could all be p1ss and wind from pearson and end up with a few fringe players going and no one of any significance being signed'"
We have a winner
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| We don't need massive changes IMO, I look to bring in 2/3 players.
I'd release Talanoa, Paea and Abdul
I think we need a prop, bsvkrower and possible a back, depending on if we play Connor at FB
I'd like to see a side something like this
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Faramino
Carlos
Gelling
Hakim/Shaul
Kelly
Sneyd
Taylor
Houghton
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Westy
New prop
Green or one if the young props
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| Maybe go back in for Josh Jones
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| I read Paea was our marquee player, as he failed to play the minimum
number of NRL games to attain a UK Visa...only way, was to pay him a massive salary,which would satisfy criteria for UKBA to give him a UK Visa..
For mine, Paea,Green ,Westerman,Abdull should go..
For mine, Shaul is the best support FB in SL, but... needs upskilling to be a creative FB, if not he should be moved to the wing.. and play Connor at FB.. We are only playing with 2 pivots,which restricts our attack.. other teams have 3 pivots..
We need a skills coach to be added to the backroom staff, to make the team more cohesive in attack, instead of a 'Sneyd speculative kick' or an off the cuff play.
As AP alluded to signings are completed in June, so its debatable IF any quality is available..
Going forward... as a Manager Lee Radford has allowed apathy to creep in ,and is unable to stem the tide.the worrying situation is...
Can the owner keep ripping up contracts, (if this situation rears its ugly head again),which is a massive financial risk to the club??
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| Quote ="weaver93"I read Paea was our marquee player, as he failed to play the minimum
number of NRL games to attain a UK Visa...only way, was to pay him a massive salary,which would satisfy criteria for UKBA to give him a UK Visa..
For mine, Paea,Green ,Westerman,Abdull should go..
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| Quote ="weaver93"I read Paea was our marquee player, as he failed to play the minimum
number of NRL games to attain a UK Visa...only way, was to pay him a massive salary,which would satisfy criteria for UKBA to give him a UK Visa..
For mine, Paea,Green ,Westerman,Abdull should go..
For mine, Shaul is the best support FB in SL, but... needs upskilling to be a creative FB, if not he should be moved to the wing.. and play Connor at FB.. We are only playing with 2 pivots,which restricts our attack.. other teams have 3 pivots..
We need a skills coach to be added to the backroom staff, to make the team more cohesive in attack, instead of a 'Sneyd speculative kick' or an off the cuff play.
As AP alluded to signings are completed in June, so its debatable IF any quality is available..
Going forward... as a Manager Lee Radford has allowed apathy to creep in ,and is unable to stem the tide.the worrying situation is...
Can the owner keep ripping up contracts, (if this situation rears its ugly head again),which is a massive financial risk to the club??'"
Shaul is nowhere near the best support full back in SL heās not even the best support full back in Hull
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Why Westerman?'"
Because LR likes a '3rd prop' in the middle, using Westy alters our style of structure..
only my opinion though...
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| Agree think Gelling will come in and Griffin will go.
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| Quote ="Dave K."We don't need massive changes IMO, I look to bring in 2/3 players.
I'd release Talanoa, Paea and Abdul
I think we need a prop, bsvkrower and possible a back, depending on if we play Connor at FB
I'd like to see a side something like this
Connor
Faramino
Carlos
Gelling
Hakim/Shaul
Kelly
Sneyd
Taylor
Houghton
Bowden
Jones
Manu
Westy
New prop
Green or one if the young props
Mini
Litten'"
Iād release Shaul and play Connor at fullback, wouldnāt even think about playing Shaul on the wing! Iād also release Green, as he just canāt stay fit for more than a couple of games.
Most importantly though Radders or whoever the coach may be needs to move away from the idea of battering teams down the middle like we did in 2016. We donāt have the team for it anymore and playing congested is causing us major problems outwide too as we must get beat down the wings more than any other team in the league due to Faraimo and even more so Talanoa rushing in and constantly missing the tackle!
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| Everyone was raving about Griffin earlier in the season now he seems to be the scapegoat along with Abdul who has been thrown to the dogs now with this story coming out conveniently the day after a record defeat but 8 weeks after he put in the request
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| Quote ="Ellam"Agree think Gelling will come in and Griffin will go.'"
I would be so happy to see Gelling come in. However, Griffin was in our top 3 players before injury. Perhaps he's come back too early and is struggling.
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| All this from Pearson regarding binning players is bull its his way of trying to motivate the team. I believe that the reasons for the current situation is one or all of the following.
1. Radford only has one way of coaching (biff bash down the middle) and we dont have the team capable of that eg loss of Watts and older players being less effective
2. Number of key players injured and many currently playing who shouldn't because they are still injured and not fully fit.
3. Game plans when we get into opponents 20. We desperately need an attacking coach .
4. How the hell can you expect a bunch on generally intelligent human beings to put their neck on the line when there in bu!!er all to play for. All this crap about being pros and playing for the club and supporters will only go so far. RFL's fault for stupid system that nobody wanted.
5. The decision to bring players back early when we still had a chance of top 4 was right but those players are still not fit eg Tallanoa, Carlos, Manu, Mini , Griff.
6. Why the hell are players like Litten and Hakim not getting regular game time especially when Houghton has suffered with benefit season syndrome and its being obvious that Abdul wants away. Also why bin Turgutt before end of season should be still playing instead of injured players and then get rid season end.
7. Would imagine Radford is a bit of a bully and also has a sense of humour that not everyone will respond to.
There may well be other reasons which we are not aware of but cant see another win this season unless Pearsons threats work.
ROLL ON NEXT SEASON!!!!!!!
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| Warrington Fan coming here in Peace.
I was Sat in front of Adam Pearson on Thursday and at half time he Singled out Griffin and was Berating him from the stands . It was just a little odd ..
Do they have some Beef going on ?
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| I think anyone who is expecting sweeping changes and marquee signings will be very disappointed. It's all hot air.
Abdul will leave because he wants to leave. Miloudi will leave because Radford doesn't like him. Harris might go back to Donny. There will be no changes to the coaching and we will finish at best 10th next year. I would love to be proved wrong but I just can't see anything changing this year.
People will say I am not a fan but I genuinely hope someone puts 100 past us in one of the coming games. The worse the next month is the more likely something might change.
In an ideal world I would bin Radford, Talanoa, Minichiello, Washbrook, Abdul, Harris and Paea, and one or two others are on thin ice. But realistically its too late in the day to replace them with any quality.
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| Iām a Doncaster supporter. Iāve seen all the Hull games on Sky this season and watched the Hull lads who have come to Donny on loan and DR. Hereās my feedback:
I believe the general quality of Super League has dipped over the last few seasons whilst the Championship has improved somewhat. There are quite a number of players in Super League who wouldnāt be out of place in sides at the top end of the Championship. The gap between the two divisions is closer now than it has been for a long while.
In some ways this is a good thing as it makes the Middle Eights more interesting, but itās bad for the Super League product as we need 12 teams of similar abilities in Super League to make every match ultra competitive. The current Super League ātop fourā seem some way ahead of the rest as the league table indicates.
Most sides in Super League (and the lower leagues) donāt have sufficient strength in depth to be able manage an injury crisis; youāve had a major injury crisis. The impact for Hull has primarily been that your pack hasnāt had the power to deal with the opposition, constantly putting you on the back foot. Losing Liam Watts was a big loss.
Having your key half-backs out really doesnāt help either but even they would have found it hard to stop the rot given the lack of grunt up front.
With regards to the youngsters, I cannot speak too highly of the commitment theyāve all shown when playing for Doncaster. In our recent game at Whitehaven, the kick-off was delayed for 15 minutes. The players went off but Hakim Miloudi continued to practice his kick-offs and goal-kicking for another 15 minutes (even though heās not the first choice goal-kicker). During the game, he was going to be tackled āin goalā but put in an amazing kick from under the sticks to his winger who collected the ball to run 30 metres up field. It showed amazing vision and no shortage of skill to execute the move.
Lee Radford doesnāt seem to like him because he plays an unstructured type of game. Hakimās still young and learning so he will make mistakes but we donāt have enough natural talent in the game to stifle creativity. I consider him to be the League One version of Ben Barba at the moment.
Jez Litten is a player of some potential and needs to be given time. He seems to have a good brain and makes the right choices, especially at our level. He perhaps needs to bulk up physically a bit but youāve got a good lad there.
Jordan Lane has always tried his best for Donny. Quite what level heāll be able to aspire to, Iām not sure. Heās certainly a top end Championship-type player, whether he can bridge the gap to be a good quality Super league player, Iām not sure; time will tell.
Liam Harris: When Liam came to you earlier in the season, I thought the move might have come too soon for him. It really is difficult for halves to learn their trade when a team isnāt playing well. He seems to have been targeted defensively by other clubs and heās suffered accordingly. He shouldnāt be written off. He needs more time and more experience.
Lewis Bienek: Lewis got injured and hasnāt played much for us but he looks a good prospect for the future. He was easily pushed back in the Warrington game but Iām sure heās better than that. Give him some time and heāll become a much better player.
Jack Logan: Heās scored a couple of good long-range tries for us but has made a few mistakes defensively too. Heās certainly not ready for Super League at the moment as he doesnāt have the physical size to deal with it. Happy to see him at Doncaster though as he gives 100%.
Jack Sanderson: Heās a handy player at full-back or on the wing. Another who is still learning and needs time. Quite how high he can go, Iām not sure. Not ready for Super League yet.
Cameron Scott: Not seen much of him. He looked out of his depth in your first team recently.
Ross Osborne: I think you may have dropped a clanger letting Ross go. Again heās not Super League ready but I can see him developing into a really good player. I like his attitude too.
Itās been tough asking the youngsters to come into your first team to help turn things round. I donāt think they should be judged too harshly. Basically, it shows your squad doesnāt have the depth to be able to cope with the injuries youāve had, but Iām sure every side would have struggled given your circumstances.
Iām used to ātough timesā having been a Donny fan for 45 years. The toughest of times weāve endured recently was when Paul Cooke got us to fourth in the Championship before we went through the next season hardly winning a game, finishing bottom. Once the losing run rot sets in, it is incredibly difficult to turn it around. Paul Cooke lost his job and Gray Thornton came in. Nothing changed and we kept on losing through the rest of the season and got relegated.
The big risk for you at the moment is whether Adam Pearsonās outburst unites the team or splits them. If it splits them, you might need to make more wholesale changes. If the dressing room was already divided, it will now be even more divided. I hope thatās not the case and things pick up during the last few games.
I wish you well against Cas next week. I hope thereās a good, positive reaction from your lads but please donāt play Miloudi as we very much need him to help give us a better chance of promotion! Iām looking forward to seeing him tomorrow in our match against Newcastle. Pop over and watch the game if youāre not busy, itās a vital game for us and any help you could give us from the stands would be welcomed.
Thanks for the help you've given us with the DR and Loans this season. Your lads have been a credit to themselves and your club.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Iād release Shaul and play Connor at fullback, wouldnāt even think about playing Shaul on the wing! Iād also release Green, as he just canāt stay fit for more than a couple of games.
Most importantly though Radders or whoever the coach may be needs to move away from the idea of battering teams down the middle like we did in 2016. We donāt have the team for it anymore and playing congested is causing us major problems outwide too as we must get beat down the wings more than any other team in the league due to Faraimo and even more so Talanoa rushing in and constantly missing the tackle!'"
That's our only plan,batter team's down the middle even though we don't have the players to do it.Can't use our pace because we don't have the players with pace.Radford put all his eggs in one basket by going for the Bradford way of playing,great while all players are fit but unfortunately when they are not we have no Plan B.Getting rid of Watts mid season was the most baffling thing for me,what serious thing had he done,can't have been that bad,Cas soon snapped him up.Looking at the player ratings in the night paper there were plenty of 2s and 3s for the players,where were the ratings for the coaching staff who let it get to this state.Radford and his staff want to get down pitchside at games and bark out a few orders instead of sitting in the stand like stuffed dummies,why should they be immune from criticism.Young kids like Abdul and Harris got plenty of flak after the Warrington game on this site,what about our pack who were totally dominated and are probably earning a lot more than these two put together,they were missing in action.This slump in form has been coming all season, and the coaching staff should have seen it coming.All teams have to do against us now is throw the ball out wide,our wingers will be somewhere in field,thats happened all season and it's still happening,the crowd can see it but why can't the coaching staff.I look forward to the words of wisdom about what we are going to do in our next game,we can only pray.I hope the coaching team watched the Saints Wigan game,that's how to build a team,forward power and pace.
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| Josh Jones has signed . Who will he replace ?
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| Paea
Green
Fash
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Talanoa
Abduls off anyway
Logan
For starters
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| Manu. Very average this season and likely to be on a big wedge.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Not much mention of Jamie Shaul. A couple of breakaway tries a season isnt good enough.
Not saying he should go but he seriously needs to up his game and not live on Wembley 2016.'"
I do think he should be looking over his shoulder as to his performances this season ,he's been bang average but again the injury list and with Miloudi been out of favour , He's on the team sheet .
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"Manu. Very average this season and likely to be on a big wedge.'"
Think Manu's future at Hull will be questioned and rights so. For a player with his experience he hasn't looked half player of last season and you expect a player of his standing to step up to the plate which he hasn't. The club have also been very good to him letting him stay in Oz longer after the tour and maybe that is what AP is alluding to in some of his comments.
All in all there are several senior players who need to have a really hard look at themselves.
The 4 with biggest question marks are
Paea
Manu
Tuli
Washbrook
We need some real desire and hunger in the team as that is lacking completely. Watts also needs replacing with an equivalent player. We also need some pace within the team other than Shaul.
I also believe that the coaching staff needs a new face from outside the Hull boundary that is capable of changing the attacking structures or give us the ability to have more than Plan A.
I don't think it's all bull and bluster from AP as I think he really has felt let down by certain people within the club and will make changes. He knows the consequences of all the hard work getting the club to where it is will be undone very quickly otherwise.
Also think there will be question marks over other players such as Green and even Kelly due to health & fitness.
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