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| Can't knock the lads for the effort tonight at such short notice.
The difference in the resilience of the team under Last is noticeable. Under Radford we would have shipped 60 plus and not scored in the second half.
Really enjoying some of the games this year, it's nice to win but we're showing enough to suggest we're turning the corner even when we lose.
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| they all give it there best shot, we needed to cover scott a bit better on the kicks, but otherwise he ran hard all night, thought macnamera tackled ok but not a lot else but hes young, all in all the lads can hold there heads high,
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| Agree with most of the comments about the effort and the performance, shame about some of the basic errors but perhaps understandable under the circumstances.
From the clubs point of view all credit to them for fulfilling the fixture when they were in little better situation than Castleford. Shame the club, in a sense, lose out in terms of league points and Cas get the chance to regroup for another day.
With the benefit of hindsight perhaps it would have been better to create a pool of players across Superleague that could have been loaned to other clubs that were struggling to fulfil fixtures so they could complete their own fixtures. Just a thought and hopefully we do not ever need to think of such things again.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Scott who isnt a winger came up against a very good winger particularly in the air, although I thought he was interfered with for their 2nd to last try. Tough night for him but showed good character..'"
No interference by either Sutcliffe or Handley who both had eyes on the ball together with Scott. Only player who interfered in the contest and only had eyes for Handley was Tuimamave. Fair try to Sutcliffe.
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| Showed a lot of spirit not to capitulate and let the score run away from them. That’s been the format of the last two years, so was good to see some spirit back.
Can we please leave Connor at full back?
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| Quote ="hull2524"they all give it there best shot, we needed to cover scott a bit better on the kicks, but otherwise he ran hard all night, thought macnamera tackled ok but not a lot else but hes young, all in all the lads can hold there heads high,
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Frustrates me, when hull bring a young kid in, in a prominent position, it seems we ask them to do as little as possible and just try getting them through the game by doing just the basics, instead of letting them play and taking control, we seem scared to let them, I understand we need to protect the young kids, but other teams seem to have more confidence in the youngsters
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| Quote ="MorningGlory23"Frustrates me, when hull bring a young kid in, in a prominent position, it seems we ask them to do as little as possible and just try getting them through the game by doing just the basics, instead of letting them play and taking control, we seem scared to let them, I understand we need to protect the young kids, but other teams seem to have more confidence in the youngsters'"
I agree with that. McNamara's first involvement against Cas was a great kick to touch, but since then he hasn't kicked the ball on the last tackle I don't think. Sneyd insists on kicking, despite being under huge pressure and forcing him in to some shocking kicks at times
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| Quote ="Freddie Miller."No interference by either Sutcliffe or Handley who both had eyes on the ball together with Scott. Only player who interfered in the contest and only had eyes for Handley was Tuimamave. Fair try to Sutcliffe.'"
Good coaching ( sic) 2 players appear to attack the ball but effectively take defensive player out of the competition , making contact in the air, leaving second attacking player to score .Sure we'll see this strategy again !
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| Quote ="MorningGlory23"Frustrates me, when hull bring a young kid in, in a prominent position, it seems we ask them to do as little as possible and just try getting them through the game by doing just the basics, instead of letting them play and taking control, we seem scared to let them, I understand we need to protect the young kids, but other teams seem to have more confidence in the youngsters'" yes totally agree
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| Quote ="hull2524"Quote ="MorningGlory23"Frustrates me, when hull bring a young kid in, in a prominent position, it seems we ask them to do as little as possible and just try getting them through the game by doing just the basics, instead of letting them play and taking control, we seem scared to let them, I understand we need to protect the young kids, but other teams seem to have more confidence in the youngsters'" yes totally agree'"
Can't argue with the above. McNamara was hardly noticeable last night and that's no fault of his. We just seem to not want to involve him with ball in hand and over used Sneyd. Now that's either something that was down to the game plan or tactic that Last wanted or the players automatically just went to Sneyd rather than McNamara maybe in part due to a confidence/protection mode?
Would have liked to have seen the team involve him a little more last night.
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| Quote ="MorningGlory23"Frustrates me, when hull bring a young kid in, in a prominent position, it seems we ask them to do as little as possible and just try getting them through the game by doing just the basics, instead of letting them play and taking control, we seem scared to let them, I understand we need to protect the young kids, but other teams seem to have more confidence in the youngsters'"
Perhaps because of the short notice and lack of preparation he was asked to keep to the basics.
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| .... it odd how when Connor appears ineffective at standoff it's the player's fault (probably true), but when McNamara, in his first SL start, doesn't quite live up to people's expectations, it's the coach's fault.
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| Quote ="hull2524"they all give it there best shot, we needed to cover scott a bit better on the kicks, but otherwise he ran hard all night, thought macnamera tackled ok but not a lot else but hes young, all in all the lads can hold there heads high,
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A good coach seeing what was happening would have taken Scott off,moved Fonua to the wing,Connor into the right centre and brought on Connor Wynne at full back.
Whats the point of having Satae doing cameo appearances off the bench? we know he can do longer minutes.
Bienek hardly saw the ball so how can Last complain we had no bench impact because if you dont give the front row the ball to run then they cant make an impact
This coach is miles out of his depth
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| Quote ="ccs".... it odd how when Connor appears ineffective at standoff it's the player's fault (probably true), but when McNamara, in his first SL start, doesn't quite live up to people's expectations, it's the coach's fault.'"
When a new coach comes in i think it will be Sneyd who comes under pressure to start performing.
There is a lot more to being a half back than kicking.
The game is now full of players who can kick a ball as good or even better than Sneyd and we all know his running game leaves a lot to be desired.
Albo is the only half back we have who can play with Sneyd as he is a runner who engages a defence.
McNamara was not given the freedom to play last night and the coach should have sent down a message to give him more of the ball.
Connor is a good full back but even better centre.He will never make the grade as a top half back
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| Quote ="bonaire"A good coach seeing what was happening would have taken Scott off,moved Fonua to the wing,Connor into the right centre and brought on Connor Wynne at full back
Spot on The coach should have sorted that They arrnt going to kick to Briscoes side are they Its not his forte
Just lob it up to a 7 foot winger and hang Scott out to dry On top of that Scott got a coaching class from Connor after 70 minutes on how to stick his arms up to catch the ball Its beyond belief
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| Quote ="ccs".... it odd how when Connor appears ineffective at standoff it's the player's fault (probably true), but when McNamara, in his first SL start, doesn't quite live up to people's expectations, it's the coach's fault.'"
Difference been Connor gets plenty of ball when playing 6 so we can have decent conversation on his performance, hard to say on McNamara last night, the few things he did, he did well, would like to off seen more.
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| I see Super League's most entertaining team lost again.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"I see Super League's most entertaining team lost again.'"
"Up and coming, strong and challenging" no less.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista""Up and coming, strong and challenging" no less.
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Two wins from thirteen. Not great but they love to keep the ball alive which is the main thing.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Two wins from thirteen. Not great but they love to keep the ball alive which is the main thing.'"
Tbf people were praising them during a purple patch a month or so back. They've gone off a cliff since. But regardless, their squad is the worst in SL by a mile, its not really a fair comparison.
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| However Rovers are still Top of the
“ We lost but weren’t beaten League”
That was the funniest thing since 50-0 and the Russian investor who knew Del Boy and made his money investing in Siberian wine
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| More organisation at end of set plays, less off the cuff make it up as you go
Better use of Forwards , distribution of carries , dummy runners, running onto the ball at pace, minutes played
Better exploitation of opposition weaknesses , see the first line.
Faster defensive line speed although it's been better lately
And the biggy for me is the discipline in the tackle, were terrible for ripping the ball out needlessly, interfering and giving really really needless penaltys away that often kill us.
Would love a coach to address the above, I think Last has got us playing with more heart , and abit more effort but still a lot to polish up and work on.
Really think the Forwards need an overhaul, too much deadwood for me and wasted cap. The only two that I think are consistent despite probably being misused at times regarding playing time etc are Satae and Sao
Matongo, Bowden, Bienek, Ellis are four for varying reasons I'd be reviewing , exclude Ellis as he's going anyway. Then looking at what's out there, shame Gil Dudsons off to Catalans as he's exactly the type of forward I think would do a better job than the other Three.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"More organisation at end of set plays, less off the cuff make it up as you go
Better use of Forwards , distribution of carries , dummy runners, running onto the ball at pace, minutes played
Better exploitation of opposition weaknesses , see the first line.
Faster defensive line speed although it's been better lately
And the biggy for me is the discipline in the tackle, were terrible for ripping the ball out needlessly, interfering and giving really really needless penaltys away that often kill us.
Would love a coach to address the above, I think Last has got us playing with more heart , and abit more effort but still a lot to polish up and work on.
Really think the Forwards need an overhaul, too much deadwood for me and wasted cap. The only two that I think are consistent despite probably being misused at times regarding playing time etc are Satae and Sao
Matongo, Bowden, Bienek, Ellis are four for varying reasons I'd be reviewing , exclude Ellis as he's going anyway. Then looking at what's out there, shame Gil Dudsons off to Catalans as he's exactly the type of forward I think would do a better job than the other Three.'"
Put it on New coach thread RnR
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| It's an evaluation of how we last played so think itl be fine on here, ta
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"More organisation at end of set plays, less off the cuff make it up as you go
Better use of Forwards , distribution of carries , dummy runners, running onto the ball at pace, minutes played
Better exploitation of opposition weaknesses , see the first line.
Faster defensive line speed although it's been better lately
And the biggy for me is the discipline in the tackle, were terrible for ripping the ball out needlessly, interfering and giving really really needless penaltys away that often kill us.
Would love a coach to address the above, I think Last has got us playing with more heart , and abit more effort but still a lot to polish up and work on.
Really think the Forwards need an overhaul, too much deadwood for me and wasted cap. The only two that I think are consistent despite probably being misused at times regarding playing time etc are Satae and Sao
Matongo, Bowden, Bienek, Ellis are four for varying reasons I'd be reviewing , exclude Ellis as he's going anyway. Then looking at what's out there, shame Gil Dudsons off to Catalans as he's exactly the type of forward I think would do a better job than the other Three.'"
Totally agree on Masi, Bowden and Bienek I'd cut our losses on them three not good enough, Ellis is retiring. Brown, Fash, Satae, Sao and Tag plus need one more prop in a big nasty prop. 2nd row we've got Lane, Ma'u, Andre and I've liked Griffin in their when he's covered plus Patterson-Lund is up and coming and Cator can fill in if needed get rid of Jones he's not interested.
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