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| Does anyone know the situation with pass holders money? Have people who pay monthly direct debit stopped paying them etc, will the club refund pass holders if no more games this season etc
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| Quote ="ccs"The bottom line is that there is no point opening grounds to fans only to make a loss.
We are in the hands of the SMC when it comes to implementing the measures that are needed (legally) to allow safe access.
I'd be surprised if Mr Allam offers us a good deal, we're already a financial burden according to their accounts.
Hopefully a streaming service will provide some much needed income until the end of the season.'"
the smc could then be in breach of contract...we pay rent and costs...anything else is their problem..if the go ahead is given, Pearson will want the gates open!
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| Quote ="number 6"the smc could then be in breach of contract...we pay rent and costs...anything else is their problem.. if the go ahead is given, Pearson will want the gates open!'"
Hope you're right, but I suspect these "extras" will be negotiable.
Their get out clause will probably be that city are paying (exhorbitant charges), so we must as well.
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| At the end of the day i dont think this is going to be a difficult decision to make, simply because RL isnt going to be the front runner in trialling fans back in stadiums. If football prove they can get fans back in safely then we'll follow, otherwise i think pass holders who would have potentially opted out of a refund would be justified in asking for money back. If the football trials dont work then i think RL would just continue behind closed doors.
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"At the end of the day i dont think this is going to be a difficult decision to make, simply because RL isnt going to be the front runner in trialling fans back in stadiums. If football prove they can get fans back in safely then we'll follow, otherwise i think pass holders who would have potentially opted out of a refund would be justified in asking for money back. If the football trials dont work then i think RL would just continue behind closed doors.'"
Agree, given that there has been an outbreak at a caravan park [url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/26/fresh-coronavirus-outbreak-shropshire-caravan-park/in Shropshire[/url I think there may well be a rethink on stadiums reopening anyway. October is still 12 weeks away so things could change a number of times (travel to Spain, for example)
[url=https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-vaccinesThis is what we need, but it is a way off.[/url
[url=http://www.transportengineer.org.uk/transport-engineer-news/istobal-develops-covid-19-disinfecting-arches/226204/Istobal (amongst others) have something that may help short to medium term[/url
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"If football prove they can get fans back in safely then we'll follow, otherwise i think pass holders who would have potentially opted out of a refund would be justified in asking for money back.'"
..... and bankrupt the club.
Only my opinion, of course.
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| Quote ="ccs"..... and bankrupt the club.
Only my opinion, of course.'"
You're slightly missing my point.
Im saying its an easy decision either way as we'll just follow football.
Many fans, including myself will be willing to write off this years season ticket for the good of the club, if there's no way of getting fans back into the stadium.
However, my point was that SOME fans may feel differently if the trials in football were successful and fans are allowed back, but the club/RL CHOOSE not to allow fans in because the 33% capacity doesnt allow the opportunity to make money.
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"You're slightly missing my point.
Im saying its an easy decision either way as we'll just follow football.
Many fans, including myself will be willing to write off this years season ticket for the good of the club, if there's no way of getting fans back into the stadium.
However, my point was that SOME fans may feel differently if the trials in football were successful and fans are allowed back, but the club/RL CHOOSE not to allow fans in because the 33% capacity doesnt allow the opportunity to make money.'"
I think AP would be happy to cover costs, let alone make money.
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| Quote ="IR80"I think AP would be happy to cover costs, let alone make money.'"
Whether its making money or breaking even, a fans position on a refund could be different if it was an internal decision not to allow fans versus a blanket government decision not to allow fans.
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"You're slightly missing my point.
Im saying its an easy decision either way as we'll just follow football.
Many fans, including myself will be willing to write off this years season ticket for the good of the club, if there's no way of getting fans back into the stadium.
However, my point was that SOME fans may feel differently if the trials in football were successful and fans are allowed back, but the club/RL CHOOSE not to allow fans in because the 33% capacity doesnt allow the opportunity to make money.'"
Ok, I read it as "If football prove it's ok...." , if football proves it's not ok" a refund would be justified".
Quote ="oooh Gravy!"[iIf football prove[/i they can get fans back in safely then we'll follow, [iotherwise [/ii think pass holders who would have potentially opted out of a refund would be justified in asking for money back.'"
A reduction in capacity might be the only way to achieve social distancing, but football starts again in September, I can't imagine the big clubs surviving if season passes are cut by 66%. Or maybe the tv deals make supporters less relevant.
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| Quote ="oooh Gravy!"Whether its making money or breaking even, a fans position on a refund could be different if it was an internal decision not to allow fans versus a blanket government decision not to allow fans.'"
I agree, but we have the unfortunate spectre of the SMC to consider...
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| Quote ="ccs"Ok, I read it as "If football prove it's ok...." , if football proves it's not ok" a refund would be justified".
A reduction in capacity might be the only way to achieve social distancing, but football starts again in September, I can't imagine the big clubs surviving if season passes are cut by 66%. Or maybe the tv deals make supporters less relevant.'"
TV income dwarfs anything else in Prem Football...
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| Quote ="IR80"TV income dwarfs anything else in Prem Football...'"
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| The whole of the 2020-21 football season in England could be played in front of reduced capacities.
Quote The whole of the next football season in England could be played in front of reduced capacities and crowd sizes could be further impacted if chanting is proven to heighten transmission risk, a senior government adviser has said.
Professor James Calder - who has chaired the cross-sport working group with government and health officials on the return to sport - has told BBC Sport that sports events are highly unlikely to have full capacity crowds this year.
"I would be very surprised if we could get full stadia back this year," he said. "Realistically I think it probably will need a vaccine and also a high take-up rate of that vaccine before we can really see full capacity stadia."
He also revealed that experiments are under way to assess whether droplet spread is increased by chanting and singing, and therefore whether there may be a greater risk of coronavirus transmission.
Professor Calder said: "We need to know, actually, does it matter if you're shouting, how far will those droplets spread?
"At a football or a rugby match, the fans are going to be shouting and chanting and singing, I hope, and we need to be sure that the people in front of them are as safe as possible.
"Now if there is no massive droplet spread, well OK, we can keep within the social distancing that we've put down for, say, the Crucible and The Oval. But if it is a problem, then we need to rethink the social distancing within the stadia, and that becomes very difficult."'"
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Super League clubs offer fans without Sky Sports an opportunity to see every game in August
Quote Season ticket holders and members will have exclusive access to live broadcasts of matches involving their teams in August after Super League came to an agreement with Sky Sports.
Supporters who do not have Sky Sports will be able to watch the behind-closed-doors games via the Our League platform, either live or on demand.'"
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Super League clubs offer fans without Sky Sports an opportunity to see every game in August
Quote Season ticket holders and members will have exclusive access to live broadcasts of matches involving their teams in August after Super League came to an agreement with Sky Sports.
Supporters who do not have Sky Sports will be able to watch the behind-closed-doors games via the Our League platform, either live or on demand.'"
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Quote Clubs will contact their season ticket holders/members with details on how they can watch games.'"
Quote ="Club Website"This announcement now allows the club to finalise their 2020 Membership Rebate Options, which will be published shortly.'"
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For me this decision is fair, personally I need nothing from the club, just the knowledge we can carry on.
The worrying thing is the competition generally is under so much pressure, and other clubs probably not as secure as ours could falter, hopefully they can all survive to safer times, and we can all watch our great game once more.
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For me this decision is fair, personally I need nothing from the club, just the knowledge we can carry on.
The worrying thing is the competition generally is under so much pressure, and other clubs probably not as secure as ours could falter, hopefully they can all survive to safer times, and we can all watch our great game once more.
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| Quote ="ccs"...it's also based on one or two events being opened before October, and carefully monitored to see what the impact might be.'"
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| Quote ="ccs"These "test" events no longer taking place with spectators, behind closed doors now looking very likely for the rest of this season, I reckon.'"
lets not give up hope, Boris didnt rule it out completely
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| Quote ="number 6"lets not give up hope, Boris didnt rule it out completely'"
Ir's not going to happen, full lockdown will be back in a few weeks.People already forgetting about social distancing and basic hygiene. Quite astounding when you look at the cultural mix in the places where it's getting worse..
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| I thought he looked bulky on the pics, but seems it's muscle rather than chub, must be fired up to get that NRL contract he needs.
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Andy Last presser. Worth a listen. No doubting his passion for the club, plenty of enthusiasm in training, will encourage our strike players to play with more freedom, interesting comments on NRL sides playing with ball playing 13s, Thaler been to training to referee with new rules, Wane and McNamara have offered some bits of advice, Mahe in great shape apparently, and Last welcoming the Cas cup game. Came across well to say he's the comp's most inexperienced coach.
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Andy Last presser. Worth a listen. No doubting his passion for the club, plenty of enthusiasm in training, will encourage our strike players to play with more freedom, interesting comments on NRL sides playing with ball playing 13s, Thaler been to training to referee with new rules, Wane and McNamara have offered some bits of advice, Mahe in great shape apparently, and Last welcoming the Cas cup game. Came across well to say he's the comp's most inexperienced coach.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"I thought he looked bulky on the pics, but seems it's muscle rather than chub, must be fired up to get that NRL contract he needs.
Hoping Bowden comes back with his knee in better Nick too. Keep Mau, Savelio fit this time round we l have a good chance , injurys were shocking before lockdown'"
One question in the press conference was about whether having a big pack will be a disadvantage with new rules. We've adjusted training apparently and the bigger forwards have come through well but thinks it will suit the likes of Cator and Fash.
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| I'd love to see more of Jack Brown another very mobile prop, but also has power and a high desire to work, I rate him higher than Fash and Matongo who's constantly injured.
Could well be released at the end of the season if his contracts up as he's just not progressing
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"I'd love to see more of Jack Brown another very mobile prop, but also has power and a high desire to work, I rate him higher than Fash and Matongo who's constantly injured.
Could well be released at the end of the season if his contracts up as he's just not progressing'"
Probably will as both Taylor and Masi are both injured and will miss several early games.
I would like to see Bienek given a run.I think its lack of confidence with him but in a team surrounded by quality players it could help his confidence and bring the best out of him.
A couple of blockbusting runs coming off the bench would do him the world of good
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