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| FC fans are angry because they think they will lose their marquee player for their most important game to date this season. Giants fans are because the ref was an incompetent fool.
I don't think Ellis should get a ban because As I've said before I don't think it warrants one- I do think it was a penalty, regardless of his right shoulder hitting the back of robbos head or not his left arm appears to hit above the shoulder.
A caution about his technique should be the outcome of the panels decision.
When that IMO correct decision is made no doubt all the FC fans will be back crowing about how they were right, justice etc.
Of course if the correct decision to award the penalty was made at the time we wouldn't be having this debate.
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| Quote ="jools"Of course if the correct decision to award the penalty was made at the time we wouldn't be having this debate.'"
Are you saying that the review panel wouldn't have bothered with this charge if Hudds had been given a penalty ?
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| Ellis flattened Robinson due to the angle of the tackle, not the technique, watched it on slow motion and full speed now and in my opinion it was like a truck hitting a fly.
Its always going to look worse in those circumstances, every other tackle on Rob Burrow looks fatal but usually it's just a case of mass... here's some physics for you ...
The fly (robinson) and truck (ellis) experience the same force, the same impulse, and the same momentum change.
As Robinson has less mass he will therefore experience the impact more (considered to be acceleration in physics); Ellis does not feel the extremely small acceleration of the impact.
Furthermore, the Robinson is composed of a less muscle mass and bulk and thus gets flattened (akin to a Fly getting splattered all over the windshield).
So we conclude this with the realisation that smaller players are just generally more splatterable.
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| I dont post on here much now, but here goes, last night on the superleague show Harris says " They must have a different camera angle because on that angle there's no shoulder contact" Peacock says " nothing in it typical big man on little man tackle". I hope the club fight this as from where i was sat in the West stand I couldn't see anything wrong with it and again last night I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Its time for fans to stop listening to the inane drivel on sky where every other tackle Eddie wants to call into question the use of a shoulder and realize its rough its tough its RUGBY LEAGUE. ps my own son has taken his fair share of dubious hits over the years and I can't remember him complaining once
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| Quote ="FevRover"I dont post on here much now, but here goes, last night on the superleague show Harris says " They must have a different camera angle because on that angle there's no shoulder contact" Peacock says " nothing in it typical big man on little man tackle". I hope the club fight this as from where i was sat in the West stand I couldn't see anything wrong with it and again last night I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Its time for fans to stop listening to the inane drivel on sky where every other tackle Eddie wants to call into question the use of a shoulder and realize its rough its tough its RUGBY LEAGUE. ps my own son has taken his fair share of dubious hits over the years and I can't remember him complaining once'"
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| Quote ="FevRover"I dont post on here much now, but here goes, last night on the superleague show Harris says " They must have a different camera angle because on that angle there's no shoulder contact" Peacock says " nothing in it typical big man on little man tackle". I hope the club fight this as from where i was sat in the West stand I couldn't see anything wrong with it and again last night I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Its time for fans to stop listening to the inane drivel on sky where every other tackle Eddie wants to call into question the use of a shoulder and realize its rough its tough its RUGBY LEAGUE. ps my own son has taken his fair share of dubious hits over the years and I can't remember him complaining once'"
Eddie is a total tool and loves nothing more than stirring up a bit of controversy. I agree with head shots being looked at but in a high speed impact sport you've got to use a bit of common sense. I could see no intent on Ellis's part and also looking at Robinsons body shape and the angle of his run IMO he just got caught with a big hit.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"eusa_clap.gif'"
Did anyone see the Wakey v Widnes game lat night?
Leuleui's flying shoulder charge into the ribs of a Wakefield player? Clear shoulder shot. Cummings said that he hadnt rotated the hips to gain greater force and his arms were around the ball carrier.
So, basically a similar scenario to Ellis on Robinson, except Ellis didn't go shoulder first.
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| If it had been that bad, you would expect (yes I know) that ref or TJ would have seen it. It was right in front of me and I just thought "wham - what a hit!"
If there'd been a clear high shot, shoulder charge or "attack" to the head, I wouldn't have been as annoyed as I am with the summons, but it was just a big hit and, as I've said before, the fact that Robinson was hurt and stayed down has influenced the decision to call Ellis up, not the challenge itself. IMHO of course.
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| Quote ="FevRover"I dont post on here much now, but here goes, last night on the superleague show Harris says " They must have a different camera angle because on that angle there's no shoulder contact" Peacock says " nothing in it typical big man on little man tackle". I hope the club fight this as from where i was sat in the West stand I couldn't see anything wrong with it and again last night I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Its time for fans to stop listening to the inane drivel on sky where every other tackle Eddie wants to call into question the use of a shoulder and realize its rough its tough its RUGBY LEAGUE. ps my own son has taken his fair share of dubious hits over the years and I can't remember him complaining once'"
Couldn't agree more. They get these incidents wrong so many times its turning into a farce. It just seems to depend on if the opposition player is injured / stays down or if they complain loudly enough.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Couldn't agree more. They get these incidents wrong so many times its turning into a farce. It just seems to depend on if the opposition player is injured / stays down or[u if they complain loudly enough[/u.'"
And Anderson has set the precedent. Whinge and moan enough and the "offending" player gets called up. I don't want to see the game turn into a whingefest, but I hope PG is learning what he has to do more of.
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| if ellis gets a ban,it will be a total disgrace after what poore of wakefield got away with.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Did anyone see the Wakey v Widnes game lat night?
Leuleui's flying shoulder charge into the ribs of a Wakefield player? Clear shoulder shot. Cummings said that he hadnt rotated the hips to gain greater force and his arms were around the ball carrier.
So, basically a similar scenario to Ellis on Robinson, except Ellis didn't go shoulder first.'"
Indeed - I also heard Barry McDermott talking about how he'd 'sat in' on the judiciary panel's deliberation over the Poore incident last week. He waxed lyrical about how he thought the correct decision had been reached and how the process was fair and logical etc. etc. Think he said it was Steve Ganson, Paul Dixon and someone else on the panel. He might have thought it was all very good but it didn't fill me with any confidence.
As you say Stuart Cummings effectively described Ellis' body position with the Leuluai incident. Should never have been charged.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Indeed - I also heard Barry McDermott talking about how he'd 'sat in' on the judiciary panel's deliberation over the Poore incident last week. He waxed lyrical about how he thought the correct decision had been reached and how the process was fair and logical etc. etc. Think he said it was [uSteve Ganson[/u, Paul Dixon and someone else on the panel. He might have thought it was all very good but it didn't fill me with any confidence.
As you say Stuart Cummings effectively described Ellis' body position with the Leuluai incident. Should never have been charged.'"
So anything could happen.
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| Jeez, if Ganson's doing the disciplinary, Tickle will get 4 matches!
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| Quote ="FevRover"I dont post on here much now, but here goes, last night on the superleague show Harris says " They must have a different camera angle because on that angle there's no shoulder contact" Peacock says " nothing in it typical big man on little man tackle". I hope the club fight this as from where i was sat in the West stand I couldn't see anything wrong with it and again last night I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Its time for fans to stop listening to the inane drivel on sky where every other tackle Eddie wants to call into question the use of a shoulder and realize its rough its tough its RUGBY LEAGUE. ps my own son has taken his fair share of dubious hits over the years and I can't remember him complaining once'"
Absolutely spot on, I don't post on here much now either, it should be thrown out, I haven't got involved in this and have spent time watching every re play I can find and conclude he's only up because of the Huddersfiled complaints and for me the game its turning soft. Those dicks on Sky love trying to take the biff out of a game that has always been all the better for it! Thuggery is one thing high tempo impact stuff is quite another.
P.S. If we had a few more of your son, I'd not be so concerned about losing our marquee player.
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| [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/28311/two-players-to-face-rfl?Gaz to contest the charge[/url
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| Quote ="SirStan"Jeez, if Ganson's doing the disciplinary, Tickle will get 4 matches!'"
For what?
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| Quote ="Liam666"For what?'" I don't normally do this but Whoosh.
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| Quote ="Liam666"For what?'"
for tracking the wrong player
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| Ellis charge:
Quote Law 15.1(a) (Strikes - Strikes with hand arm or shoulder - Reckless) Grade B '"
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| Quote ="ccs"Ellis charge:
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Should be fine then - clear chest contact.
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| From what I saw Ellis will be warned as will the Catalan player. He shoulder charged but it wasn't into the head. The other Catalan one was a shocker, can see why he took the ban.
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| Not guilty! Cleared to play on Saturday, seems sense has prevailed.
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| Found not guilty free to play
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"Not guilty! Cleared to play on Saturday, seems sense has prevailed.'"
Yes - Well done Gareth and the club for not backing down.
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