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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"RA called in for "a long conversation" monday morning FACT!!
very depressed man at present!! like everyone on here......
wether he is right for the job or not he still always wanted the team to do well and put a lot into the side... lets see what happens monday, but for sure he wasnt sent an e mail he was told directly and I mean directly....'"
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| Quote ="arliebird"who told you?'"
Didn't you know? He pretends to work for the club. Last night he was posting on the forum 'from one of the exec boxes' an hour before kick off
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| Quote ="garry brindley"Didn't you know? He pretends to work for the club. Last night he was posting on the forum 'from one of the exec boxes' an hour before kick off
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ahh right
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| Quote ="BraddersFC"I feel sorry for the players when the criticism goes their direction. The effort is there, they just lack the gameplan and organisation to execute and kick on to win games. Agar's left as the only reason we aren't doing this.'" The players are big enough to change a gameplan if it not working Longy/Fitz have been around a long time and shouldn't need telling thing aren't going right
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| Quote ="kt170496"The players are big enough to change a gameplan if it not working Longy/Fitz have been around a long time and shouldn't need telling thing aren't going right'"
You've made several posts like this, do you honestly think the players are as individually responsible as the head coach?
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| Quote ="kt170496"The players are big enough to change a gameplan if it not working Longy/Fitz have been around a long time and shouldn't need telling thing aren't going right'"
I'm not so sure. The modern game thinking is that players carry out the coach's plans regardless of its effectiveness. Changes to gameplans whilst the game is in progress tend to come via instructions from the bench/stands/water carrier/walkie-talkies/mobile phones.
The days when the likes of Steve Norton,Roger Millward,Alex Murphy would take a game by the scruff of the neck by effectively acting as a coach on the pitch during game time are long gone.
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| Feel sorry for you guys. We had the same situation with Cullen and I know the feeling of frustration. It was obvious he needed to go but he seemed able to hang on. Getting beat by Cas at home was the final straw for us. It was clear he had "lost the dressing room" and a sit in by a number of fans (albeit a minority) showed that he had lost the fans as well.
I really can't understand how Agar is still in charge. Are there no viable replacements?
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| Quote ="garry brindley"Didn't you know? He pretends to work for the club. Last night he was posting on the forum 'from one of the exec boxes' an hour before kick off
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Hour and a half before to be exact, and you know what garry , im still waiting for the name of this ficticious person who works on catering you were going to pass to me last night!!
bad or good i would still support my team garry, however you admitted you are for better words a "fair weather" supporter....
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| Quote ="arliebird"who told you?'"
i was stood next to him when he was told!! dont get much more fact than that !!!
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| Quote ="kt170496"The players are big enough to change a gameplan if it not working Longy/Fitz have been around a long time and shouldn't need telling thing aren't going right'" You clearly have no idea what a coach does, or is supposed to do. Their job is not just to select the team and put in place a basic game plan such as 'kick to the corners' or whatever, like fans think. I see people on here criticising Agar's interchange policy but that is the least of the problems. Many fans have absolutely no idea what a coach does and how important he is.
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN":1r2zrdnoRA called in for "a long conversation" monday morning FACT!!
very depressed man at present!! like everyone on here......
wether he is right for the job or not he still always wanted the team to do well and put a lot into the side... lets see what happens monday, but for sure he wasnt sent an e mail he was told directly and I mean directly....'" was too soon. If an extension 'was on the cards' then it should have been considered at the end of the season.
Something must happen and quick if the club are going to salvage something from the current season.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not sure that's true. I largely share those opinions of Agar and I haven't had any criticism directed at me. What they [ihave[/i been criticised for is the way those opinions have been expressed or some of the dafter suggestions/comments made.'"
I got a fair bit of criticism last season, yet I always said I would be happy for Agar to prove me wrong. However I have not been on here crowing about it since people have started to have the same opinion. If the boot was on the other foot I am sure certain pro Agar posters would have been quick to point out they were right to stick by him etc.
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| Quote ="Ivanhoe"
Something must happen and quick if the club are going to salvage something from the current season.'"
i agree, things are not good
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"Hour and a half before to be exact, and you know what garry , im still waiting for the name of this ficticious person who works on catering you were going to pass to me last night!!
bad or good i would still support my team garry, however you admitted you are for better words a "fair weather" supporter....
grow up'"
When did I ever say I was going to give you my mates' name? You just kept asking for it to try to create a smokescreen to cover the fact that you'd been caught out again. I didn't even make a big deal out of it, of course you weren't posting on the forum from the exec box.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"When did I ever say I was going to give you my mates' name?
You just kept asking for it to try to create a smokescreen to cover the fact that you'd been caught out again. I didn't even make a big deal out of it, of course you weren't posting on the forum from the exec box.'"
so your friend that does not exist is now used to prove i wasnt there , OMG thats brilliant
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hey even if i was sweeping the terraces at least i was there unlike you....
I have never ever known a true fan want their club to loose any game, and gloating about it is well just unhinged, and then to argue and insult every other fan on the forum just proves what i always thought, your not a fan at all and more like a troll in every way garry.... get dressed and go to the chemist mate
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"i agree, things are not good'"
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| Quote ="garry brindley"I've often thought about this, I only had to watch Agar speak once to know he was in no way a leader or a winner and my opinion has never wavered.
I think firstly every team has a section of fans that are, for want of a better term, 'happy clappers'. They see any criticism of any part of the club as disloyal, and even if Louie Spence was appointed head coach they would insist that he should be given time to prove himself etc. Beyond those though, I've come to the opinion that it's basicallly a form of denial. Agar is the manager and there's nothing you can really do about it so why not try and convince yourself that he's the right man for the job? Obviously this state of mind has been helped a great deal by the Rule's spin and PR machine, who have repeatedly made excuses for Agar's poor performance and backed him to the hilt... disagreeing with what the board say means accepting that they might not have the fans' best interests at heart, and that's a pretty difficult step for a lot of people.
Since I joined this forum I've come across as one of the most negative posters, but if we ever had a coach we could believe in people would see that I'm generally not like that. I was sad to see Kear go and thought it was the wrong move to sack Sharp, I'm just not in the business of trying to dupe myself.'"
I agree with most of what you have said but I thought I was becoming the most negative poster when I want to be positiver. Perhaps if the board of directors had to pay to watch Hull play then they might have a different outlook to what is going on at out club.
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"i was stood next to him when he was told!! dont get much more fact than that !!!'"
Sweet jesus
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Sweet jesus
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No, stood next to Agar not sweet Jesus
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| Quote ="headhunter"You clearly have no idea what a coach does, or is supposed to do. Their job is not just to select the team and put in place a basic game plan such as 'kick to the corners' or whatever, like fans think. I see people on here criticising Agar's interchange policy but that is the least of the problems. Many fans have absolutely no idea what a coach does and how important he is.'"
Hallelujah
I think people criticise the interchanges so much because they are one of the most tangible aspects of coaching and you can see Agar is getting it horribly wrong, but there's so much more to being a coach than a lot of people on here seem to realise.
The history of all team sports is littered with players that have underperformed under one coach and then miraculously started playing to their potential when a better coach is brought in. I can understand why people think it shouldn't be like that because the players get a lot of money etc but it's the way it is and people need to realise it.
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"i was stood next to him when he was told!! dont get much more fact than that !!!'"
Did you give him a little hug after he got told the news?
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"so your friend that does not exist is now used to prove i wasnt there , OMG thats brilliant
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hey even if i was sweeping the terraces at least i was there unlike you....
I have never ever known a true fan want their club to loose any game, and gloating about it is well just unhinged, and then =#0000FFto argue and insult every other fan on the forum just proves what i always thought, your not a fan at all and =#0000FFmore like a troll in every way garry.... get dressed and go to the chemist mate'"
So on top of all that is wrong with my club and the misery that it's bringing me, my irony detector just exploded as well. What a weekend this is.
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| Agar isn't a villain, just someone whose out of depth in his job, there's plenty of people who get promoted at work and not up to it, They are good enough for assistants but not for manager. He's had his chance but its time to step down. He must realise himself, but who would willingly make themselves redundant?
Sorry Richard, but deep down you know you are struggling. The Board should protect the club and Agar and take the decision to find someone else.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"You mean 'sniping' like the other day when you called me the 'Anti-Icecreamman' for having the temerity to say if Agar stayed in charge we won't finish above Cas this year?'"
I called you the anti-ICM because you are as relentlessly negative as he is positive. Neither approach is particularly helpful IMO.
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| The difference is one has a negative opinion and the other tries to be Mr Big by inferring he's connected with the club and in the know. Surely if one posts on a message board you do so to express your opinion? Why would you expect a poster with a negative view to tone it down or vice versa? IcecreamExpo throws personal put downs around and should expect to get some back when he's "proved" to be wrong. It's not about being helpful it's about getting your opinion off your chest , good or bad , otherwise ther's not really much point in the forum at all.
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