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| Quote ="Dave K."Our bombs annoyed me yesterday, why kick and keep kicking to a winger who also plays FB and is good under the hall ball when they have a small winger on the other side and a FB who can be poor under th high ball.'"
Our bombs annoyed me also. Not so much because of who we were kicking to but because we rarely put the catcher under any pressure.
Having said that, Holdsworth was clearly not 100% last night and some way below the level he normally plays at.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Our bombs annoyed me yesterday, why kick and keep kicking to a winger who also plays FB and is good under the hall ball when they have a small winger on the other side and a FB who can be poor under th high ball.'"
If I was going to give any form of agrument againt your view Dave (which I agree with) Holdsworths Bombs against Cas were almost unplayable (high, spiralling etc). however, once Murphy had taken the first two, we shouldhave tried something else.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"There you go again.
[size=150How do you know he would be cheaper? You don't, its pure speculation[/size.
How do you know Monoghan didnt come to Wire on the cheap to ressurect his career here after his well documented "social" incident?
For the record, if it wasnt his association with rovers, many on here would not have the poor opinion of Cockayne as they do. If it was purely on Rugby ability and passion whilst playing I dare say there would be a few who would be suggesting he shouldbe signed by us'"
id bet he's earning top dollar still... and if anyone thinks that an ex army thug who couldnt get a game in top level rugby for a year earns more than joel monoghan, a top nrl and state of origin winger, then your mistaken, whatever joel did, id bet my last pound thet he earns alot more than cackayne....
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"If I was going to give any form of agrument againt your view Dave (which I agree with) [size=150Holdsworths Bombs against Cas were almost unplayable [/size(high, spiralling etc). however, once Murphy had taken the first two, we shouldhave tried something else.'"
do you recon it was something to do with the fact that murphy has played full back in the past that he was safe as houses under the highball??, or the fact that clare was utter pants for cas last week???
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"dear god, if you think ben cockayne and justin carney etc are on even par regards wages with briscoe, then your deluded... theyd walk to hull fc, would you rather be playing at cas and wakey instead of us? if thats the case within RL, then we are fooked, anyways...cockayne couldnt get a gig anywhere is SL and carney was released from the nrl so i recon theyd be cheap...... as of rthese 2 ozzie test players we had, my point exactly, they were good, but we paid top wages and hardley used them to there potential....
we have far greater issues than needing to have a top winger, dont get me worng, id keep briscoe in a heartbeat BUT we need better players were it really counts, ie a top 7, and some proper forwards, pitts ,omeley, lynch etc are just not going to cut it for one reason or another...... our direction is an utter joke, we are cluless in an opponents 20, wether thats down to cioaching i dont know, but considering weve been pants over the past few seaosn, it seems to me that the players have to take responsibility as which ever coach weve had in charge its just the same old tosh..'"
Why am I deluded? I have not suggested anyone is being paid more or less than anyone else. You have. You must have delusions of players salaries, because like you, I don't know what Briscoe, Cockayne or Carney earn.
O'meley was released from an NRL club, do you reckon he would be cheap?
Cockayne recently signed a new contract at Wakey, which I would guess was an improvement on his initial one.
The direction of the team is a joke, agreed. Pearson we are lead to beleive tried to sort this unsuccessfully through Chase (personally I think we had a lucky escape there) and Prince. It appears we put all our eggs in too few baskets.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Why am I deluded? I have not suggested anyone is being paid more or less than anyone else. You have. You must have delusions of players salaries, because like you, I don't know what Briscoe, Cockayne or Carney earn.
O'meley was released from an NRL club, do you reckon he would be cheap?
Cockayne recently signed a new contract at Wakey, which I would guess was an improvement on his initial one.
[size=150The direction of the team is a joke, agreed. Pearson we are lead to beleive tried to sort this unsuccessfully through Chase (personally I think we had a lucky escape there) and Prince. It appears we put all our eggs in too few baskets.'" [/size
agree there, the signing of galea really worried me when it was announced, why we signed a guy well past his best is beyond me, desperate times etc.. as they say
i still cant get round the recruitment of jay pitts though.... i just dont get it, it was a complete bolt out the blue, he couldnt get in leeds first team squad, so what makes the powers that be at FC seem to think he'd offer us anything? and how much had gentle seen of him? in my opinion, not a lot......
unless he was bought of the back of a good game for leeds vs fc for the 21's???????
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| Lets replace Tom Briscoe with Ben Cockayne! Great idea!
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agree there, the signing of galea really worried me when it was announced, why we signed a guy well past his best is beyond me, desperate times etc.. as they say
i still cant get round the recruitment of jay pitts though.... i just dont get it, it was a complete bolt out the blue, he couldnt get in leeds first team squad, so what makes the powers that be at FC seem to think he'd offer us anything? and how much had gentle seen of him? in my opinion, not a lot......
unless he was bought of the back of a good game for leeds vs fc for the 21's???????'"
I think Pitts is a decent squad player, providing his salary matches that squad status.
agree on Galea though, 2 years ago and he'd have been a good signing as he used to cause havoc near the line, now he's way past his best, and I'd honestly had rather seen Aspinwall or McGoldrick retained if that's all the options we had.
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"[/size
agree there, the signing of galea really worried me when it was announced, why we signed a guy well past his best is beyond me, desperate times etc.. as they say
i still cant get round the recruitment of jay pitts though.... i just dont get it, it was a complete bolt out the blue, he couldnt get in leeds first team squad, so what makes the powers that be at FC seem to think he'd offer us anything? and how much had gentle seen of him? in my opinion, not a lot......
unless he was bought of the back of a good game for leeds vs fc for the 21's???????'"
Jay Pitts has been a good addition to the squad IMO, been impressed with him. Aggressive tackler and good pair of hands.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Jay Pitts has been a good addition to the squad IMO, been impressed with him. Aggressive tackler and good pair of hands.'"
Agree about his defensive contribution. I still don't think he's big enough to play prop though, and dominated far too easily to make the required impression in attack. The fact that Bowden already looks more of a handful than him backs this up IMO. I think I'd sooner see Johnson in the team at present.
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| I've always felt Briscoe will end up at Leeds. I thought he'd have a couple of years in the NRL, then back to Leeds.
Briscoe is a great player who will be missed if/when he goes.
Lineham is going to be very good though!.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I think Pitts is a decent squad player, providing his salary matches that squad status.
agree on Galea though, 2 years ago and he'd have been a good signing as he used to cause havoc near the line, now he's way past his best, and I'd honestly had rather seen [size=150Aspinwall [/sizeor McGoldrick retained if that's all the options we had.'"
WHERS IS ASPINWALL??
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"WHERS IS ASPINWALL??'"
Playing for Leigh I think
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"WHERS IS ASPINWALL??'"
at leigh and injured at the moment
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| Just looked at the stats from the weekend, Briscoe made 239 meters on Saturday, our next best was Shannon with 156.
I'm not a massive lover of stats, but that's a massive amount of meters to make, and with good ball he would be outstanding!
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| Quote ="Goochie"Just looked at the stats from the weekend, Briscoe made 239 meters on Saturday, our next best was Shannon with 156.
I'm not a massive lover of stats, but that's a massive amount of meters to make, and with good ball he would be outstanding!'"
He is quite frankly, one of the leagues hottest properties. He may have a few faults, but he would be in my team as long as he wanted to stay,.
I would say we fail to utilise him, not his fault.
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| I do wish Tom the best next season but it is more than worrying for our game.
Tbh I feel SL is dying and with all our best players leaving for Aus or Union something needs to be done to address this but wether much can be done is another matter.
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"I've always felt Briscoe will end up at Leeds. I thought he'd have a couple of years in the NRL, then back to Leeds.
Briscoe is a great player who will be missed if/when he goes.
Lineham is going to be very good though!.'"
I doubt he will ever go to Leeds as long as Hall remains there unless the salary cap is altered dramatically. You simply can't afford to have a decent chunk of your cap spent on wingers no matter how good they are.
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| Just heard Briscoe interviewed on RH, Very non committal.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Just heard Briscoe interviewed on RH, Very non committal.'"
If he hasn't told the club, he's hardly likely to tell Blunderside.
Best thing to do is expect Briscoe and Tickle to leave, then if either or both dont we can be plesantly surprised.
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| Quote ="Standee"If he hasn't told the club, he's hardly likely to tell Blunderside.
Best thing to do is expect Briscoe and Tickle to leave, then if either or both dont we can be plesantly surprised.'"
TBH,
When AP stated, he'd be offering Briscoe a megadeal, for a winger on a big deal ,I feel we should be using our resources on another playmaker.
I'd approach Saints if we could take Gaskell on loan.
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| Quote ="weaver93"TBH,
When AP stated, he'd be offering Briscoe a megadeal, for a winger on a big deal ,I feel we should be using our resources on another playmaker.
I'd approach Saints if we could take Gaskell on loan.'"
we need players in far more important positions than wing... a new 7 for a start would make us a proper team....
until we have a good 7, then briscoe will be wasted out there, lets be honest, if ryan hall played for fc, he'd probably have 30 career try's to his name by now, not the 100+ he's currently at
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"we need players in far more important positions than wing... a new 7 for a start would make us a proper team....
until we have a good 7, then briscoe will be wasted out there, lets be honest, if ryan hall played for fc, he'd probably have 30 career try's to his name by now, not the 100+ he's currently at'"
You'll not be surprised I agree, until we sort out the half backs we're not going to trouble the top six, let alone the top two. Our problem is who is available?
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| Quote ="Standee"You'll not be surprised I agree, until we sort out the half backs we're not going to trouble the top six, let alone the top two. Our problem is who is available?'"
Agree, you could have the best 2 wingers in the world playing for you but if you have gash half backs and centres who create very little whats the point. Tom would be mad to stay at Hull. He aint gunna win anything here over the next 2-3 years. Good luck to the lad.
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| If he goes to OZ then he goes with my best wishes and i will be very interested to see how he goes.
Be quite happy with Crookes and Lineham next season.
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