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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Yeaman should have been gone long ago and Turner on the right with Crooks on the left (we might have stood a chance of keeping Briscoe then)
Still, if his buddy has anything to do with it, Yeaman short of several major brain farts isn't moving anywhere...positionally or otherwise.'"
How do you know it's his buddy and is bullet proof? People keep saying this but just sounds dumb to me. There's coaches all around the league who coach mates ex teammates etc
RadFord is an successful man,Youngest coach, has had a career and a trophy list 90% of players will never achieve, a boxer of reasonable standard, coached at various levels since 22 and is successful business. This all comes from being driven determined and single minded. If Sa and crooks play to any standard and help make radFord successful in his job then he's gonna use them. The other option is he plays his 'mate' and undermines himself, which won't happen if he wants a long term career at it. I don't know Lee but if he had truly viable options I don't think it would even be a debate. Just doesn't strike me as someone who would set himself up to fail for sentimental reasons!
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Needs to try harder then'"
Certainly does, made a few mistakes IMO, but dont think he is just picking his mates though, if he does he will lose his job soon and be unemployed.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!"How do you know it's his buddy and is bullet proof? People keep saying this but just sounds dumb to me. There's coaches all around the league who coach mates ex teammates etc
RadFord is an successful man,Youngest coach, has had a career and a trophy list 90% of players will never achieve, a boxer of reasonable standard, coached at various levels since 22 and is successful business. This all comes from being driven determined and single minded. If Sa and crooks play to any standard and help make radFord successful in his job then he's gonna use them. The other option is he plays his 'mate' and undermines himself, which won't happen if he wants a long term career at it. I don't know Lee but if he had truly viable options I don't think it would even be a debate. Just doesn't strike me as someone who would set himself up to fail for sentimental reasons!'"
Good post.
When some have set their stall out and are not prepared to give our head coach a fair crack of the whip it's difficult for them to temper their frustrations.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Apart from about 6 games Turner was poor for Hull.'"
Fair play to the poster though in respect of Turner - a young lad who has got better as he has played more games. Bit like we're hoping from Crooks really.
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| Quote ="Dave K." Your obsess with Radford is getting embarrassing, if he had mates Horne would have started yesterday, Radford rightly or wrongly is picking the best team to win the game.
Apart from about 6 games Turner was poor for Hull.'"
Says who, you? Frankly your opinion counts for diddly squat, even less so when you post diatribe responses like that that actually offer no rebutal of the opinion I posted regarding Yeaman/Radford
That Turner was already the better attacking centre when he was at Hull is a personal opinion, I'm sure every team in SL would rather have Yeaman over Turner though by your way of thinking
And as for his inclusion yesterday, that in itself is no measure of how Radford's thought process works, again, I'd rather have Arundal in there but clearly some on here and Radford are ready to bin him off.
Yeaman has had more than a fair roll of the dice, and yes he does come up with the odd very decent performance and is an excellent tackler..but I'd like to see Arundal get the same because I think he has more potential than we are allowing him to show..but you & your cronies know best
Anyhow crack on with your lame/embaressing responses because I'm having a chortle here reading them..
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| Quote ="Dave K."Certainly does, made a few mistakes IMO, but dont think he is just picking his mates though, if he does he will lose his job soon and be unemployed.'"
I think most of them are his mates. he needs to pick a team and stick with it for a few weeks though and stop tinkering every week
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| Yeaman isn't bad a player some people make him out to be.. Yes his judgement in attack for last few seasons.. Well.. But his game has always been round his defensive duties.
Complain all you like about his attack but can't knock his defensive work. Which usually goes unnoticed.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Says who, you? Frankly your opinion counts for diddly squat, even less so when you post diatribe responses like that that actually offer no rebutal of the opinion I posted regarding Yeaman/Radford
That Turner was already the better attacking centre when he was at Hull is a personal opinion, I'm sure every team in SL would rather have Yeaman over Turner though by your way of thinking
And as for his inclusion yesterday, that in itself is no measure of how Radford's thought process works, again, I'd rather have Arundal in there but clearly some on here and Radford are ready to bin him off.
Yeaman has had more than a fair roll of the dice, and yes he does come up with the odd very decent performance and is an excellent tackler..but I'd like to see Arundal get the same because I think he has more potential than we are allowing him to show..but you & your cronies know best
Anyhow crack on with your lame/embaressing responses because I'm having a chortle here reading them..
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If you think Arundel is a SL centre your RL knowledge is worst than I thought, he has a number of chances and not produced the goods, I seen him him have some decent games, but not once against decent opposition.
As it stands Yeaman is our 2nd best ( could be argued 1st this season), so he has to play. The big test will if/when we sign Sa.
It's fairly obvious as soon as Radford was appointed you were never going to give him a chance, no matter happens and you look to have a go at him no matter what he does.
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| Quote ="Dave K."If you think Arundel is a SL centre your RL knowledge is worst than I thought, .'"
If he ends up going back to Cas then i bet he proves you wrong!
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| Quote ="davey37"If he ends up going back to Cas then i bet he proves you wrong!'"
I doubt it, was average at Cas and Hull, let's be honest although done well at Donny, if he was that good, he would be tearing defences apart in the championship.
However if any coach can get the best out of him it will be Powell, but I bet he never makes it as a top SL .
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| Quote ="Dave K."I doubt it, was average at Cas and Hull, let's be honest although done well at Donny, if he was that good, he would be tearing defences apart in the championship.
However if any coach can get the best out of him it will be Powell, but I bet he never makes it as a top SL Centre.'"
The kid is still only 22 years old and has had a couple of injury ravaged seasons. That is the worry. His injury record.
Plus we mess him about and stick him on the wing in a crucial cup tie with an out of confidence centre inside him.
Bet his confidence is shot right now.
There is a difference between a SL centre and a TOP SL centre. You don't think he will be either? Fair enough.
I think he will prove to be a decent SL centre akin to many playing in SL at the moment. That is given time and change of luck with injuries.
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| Quote ="davey37"The kid is still only 22 years old and has had a couple of injury ravaged seasons. That is the worry. His injury record.
Plus we mess him about and stick him on the wing in a crucial cup tie with an out of confidence centre inside him.
Bet his confidence is shot right now.
There is a difference between a SL centre and a TOP SL centre. You don't think he will be either? Fair enough.
I think he will prove to be a decent SL centre akin to many playing in SL at the moment. That is given time and change of luck with injuries.'"
Unfortunately he's either been injured or average when playing for us. Players have to take their chance when given to them and he hasn't for whatever reason. If he makes it elsewhere in SL good luck to him but I've certainly not seen anything in his game that suggests he'll be a consistently good SL player for years to come. Could be wrong of course but he hasn't shown enough, for whatever reason, to be seen as a long term proposition for a side with supposed ambition.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Unfortunately he's either been injured or average when playing for us. Players have to take their chance when given to them and he hasn't for whatever reason. If he makes it elsewhere in SL good luck to him but I've certainly not seen anything in his game that suggests he'll be a consistently good SL player for years to come. Could be wrong of course but he hasn't shown enough, for whatever reason, to be seen as a long term proposition for a side with supposed ambition.'"
I'd agree with that. It's a shame because I think he's shown glimpses of some ability, but the last thing we need is another inconsistent player who struggles to put in the required performances.
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| I think arundel would be a decent player if he could string together enough injury free games. He's pretty quick and strong but needs to work on his defence but would probably improve with enough appearances but seems unlikely with his injuries
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd agree with that. It's a shame because I think he's shown glimpses of some ability, but the last thing we need is another inconsistent player who struggles to put in the required performances.'"
This is the thing. He has shown glimpses of ability.
But due to injury and the emergence of Crooks he hasn't been given a prolonged run in the team to build his confidence and consistency.
I think he is another player we are too quick to write off.
Time will tell.
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| imo think the kid should be given a run as i think he could be a good centre, looks like we will never know at least not for hull, granted he is one of those players who splits opinions
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd agree with that. It's a shame because I think he's shown glimpses of some ability, but the last thing we need is another inconsistent player who struggles to put in the required performances.'"
You can apply that statement directly to Yeaman already though, in fact over the last two or three seasons in fact. He shows glimpses of his talent but is then quiet for much of a game or is just bang average throughout a season as he has been for a few years now. How many points/tries have been bombed because of his inability to put his winger away or other attacking mistakes?
If you are supposed to be treating players the same across the board I'd say that Arundal hasn't had a fair shout at all, whilst Yeaman in comparison has had very favourable treatment..I accpet of course that Arundal has been injured but nevertheless the imbalance is there for all to see except those that don't want to see it..
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"You can apply that statement directly to Yeaman already though, in fact over the last two or threee seasons in fact. He shows glimpses of his talent but is then quiet for much of a game or is just bang average throughut a season as he has been for a few years now. How many points/tries have been bombed because of his inability to put his winger away?
If you are supposed to be treating players the same across the board I'd say that Arundal hasn't had a fair shout at all.'"
Yeamo is a decent grafting player imo, every team cant be full of world beaters, it needs the so called donkeys to do the graft so the stars can shine & take the praise.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Yeamo is a decent grafting player imo, '"
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| Quote ="davey37"You taking the Mick?'"
Don't forget the service he was getting in the cooke era? So his game has been limited..he's a cracking defender...& has plenty of carries..won't be many to top his career at 1 club playing at the top level. Great servant to our club.
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| At the end of the day, Kirk Yeaman will retire with hundreds of first team appearances, GB caps, 2 Dream Team selections, a Challenge Cup Winners medal, 4 major final appearances and something like the club's 5th all time try scorer. I'd guess if Sa arrives Sa will get into the side, but that Radford will pick the other centre from Yeaman and Crooks on form. I don't see any evidence this year that either Crooks or Arundel have been ripping up trees to the point where Yeaman's selection ahead of them is a travesty.
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| I had a look back at yeaman's stats and was surprised that in agar's last year as coach yeaman scored 21 SL tries
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"You can apply that statement directly to Yeaman already though, in fact over the last two or three seasons in fact. He shows glimpses of his talent but is then quiet for much of a game or is just bang average throughout a season as he has been for a few years now. How many points/tries have been bombed because of his inability to put his winger away or other attacking mistakes?
If you are supposed to be treating players the same across the board I'd say that Arundal hasn't had a fair shout at all, whilst Yeaman in comparison has had very favourable treatment..I accpet of course that Arundal has been injured but nevertheless the imbalance is there for all to see except those that don't want to see it..
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How many tries has he stopped with his defense. I agree with previous poster, Yeamo's form dropped (apart from that 1 season under Agar) when Cookie left. Cooke always threw the bullet pass missing out 1/2 defenders to yeamo and put him through.
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