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| Quote ="arliebird"i was there and il say it again cusack is a good solid pro who will graft in attack and defence but nothing more. 1 of the reasons why our pack was weak and soft last year was the pack was unbalenced to many so called grafters workhorses and not enough impact big front rower. give moa a game and see how he goes if he dosent perform then he wont get in the team simple as but most importantly we need to get the balance right within the team and pack and to me that means 2 impact props which would be omeely and moa with dowes and radders as our grafters playing longer minutes. then theres lauaki who can fill in at prop but would leave in the secound row.
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cussack was missing due to injury most of last season, I believe if you recall back to one or two of Cussacks goal line hits there would be a saints fan / player or two who would love him to be playing for them!!!
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| Quote ="arliebird"i was there and il say it again cusack is a good solid pro who will graft in attack and defence but nothing more. 1 of the reasons why our pack was weak and soft last year was the pack was unbalenced to many so called grafters workhorses and not enough impact big front rower. give moa a game and see how he goes if he dosent perform then he wont get in the team simple as but most importantly we need to get the balance right within the team and pack and to me that means 2 impact props which would be omeely and moa with dowes and radders as our grafters playing longer minutes. then theres lauaki who can fill in at prop but would leave in the secound row.
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Would let Moa stake his claim against Crusaders. We were 26-0 against Saints, that was due to the impact and defensive efforts of the pack. For another tough game the starting 13 should remain unchanged. The only change I would look for would be on the bench with either Washy or Turner for Houghton. But, even then I don't really think it is necessary.
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| you just dont get what im saying do you im not saying cusack is crap im just saying that we need to get the right balance in the pack and for me that means 1 of dowes, radders and cusack would be dropped for moa to give us impact and some pure aggresion.
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| Quote ="arliebird"you just dont get what im saying do you im not saying cusack is crap im just saying that we need to get the right balance in the pack and for me that means 1 of dowes, radders and cusack would be dropped for moa to give us impact and some pure aggresion.'"
Which we had plenty of against Saints to be leading 26-0 without Moa!
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| I really don't get people wanting anything to change, the 17 that played at Saints showed more pride, passion, comittment and ability than we saw last season, barring injuries, keep it the same.
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| i hope agar picks moa lets see how he goes if he dosent perform then drop him but im more then confident heel perform.
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| Quote ="Standee"I really don't get people wanting anything to change, the 17 that played at Saints showed more pride, passion, comittment and ability than we saw last season, barring injuries, keep it the same.'"
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| well i know some people wanted calderwood to come in the team if he was fit to replace hall. what would you do because no matter what the same 17 should play shoundt they
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| Quote ="arliebird"well i know some people wanted calderwood to come in the team if he was fit to replace hall. what would you do because no matter what the same 17 should play shoundt they'"
Would leave Hall on the wing, he did nothing wrong. but calderwood won't be available.......will he
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| i know he aint available but was saying if he was would you drop hall for calderwood becasue i know i would. it would be harsh on hall becasue he dint do nowt wrong but calderwood would offer alot more to the team.
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| Quote ="arliebird"i know he aint available but was saying if he was would you drop hall for calderwood becasue i know i would. it would be harsh on hall becasue he dint do nowt wrong but calderwood would offer alot more to the team.'"
As has been said by others...."if it aint broke, don't fix it"
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"cussack was missing due to injury most of last season, I believe if you recall back to one or two of Cussacks goal line hits there would be a saints fan / player or two who would love him to be playing for them!!!
only thing unbalanced here is your comments on Cussack icon_confused.gif'"
That's the thing. Whilst there's logic in playing Moa instead of a "workhorse" type prop, Cusack's name would be well behind Dowes and Radford if that change was to be made.
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| id be very suprised if it aint the 17 that played saints because i think agar hasnt got the bottle to drop 1 of the older senior blokes.
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| Quote ="arliebird"id be very suprised if it aint the 17 that played saints because i think agar hasnt got the bottle to drop 1 of the older senior blokes.'"
Or maybe the 'older senior blokes' did a good job at Saints and don't deserve to be dropped?
I'd like to see Moa in the side as much as anyone, but TBH there wasn't much wrong with the pack at Saints.
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| Agree with Paul think the only change might be Washy for Houghton.
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| I seem to remember many on this forum, almost at the point of cursing Agar, for giving Cussack another years contract. Especially when it came to Moa, probably not getting a contract.
Game 1:
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| Quote ="arliebird"id be very suprised if it aint the 17 that played saints because i think agar hasnt got the bottle to drop 1 of the older senior blokes.'"
Jeez, I am no fan of Agar (and that's an understatement) but why would he need "the balls" to drop someone after that game, wait until someone doesn't perform and then start speculating about Agar's selection policy, he may feel more empowered given the support of a good assistant and more respected senior players.
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| Quote ="arliebird"id be very suprised if it aint the 17 that played saints because i think agar hasnt got the bottle to drop 1 of the older senior blokes.'"
So who do you reckon deserves to be dropped from the team that beat St's, seeing as you don't believe Agar has the bottle to leave them out.
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| I think it's time somebody dropped Arlie Bird
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| Quote ="daveh"I think it's time somebody dropped Arlie Bird
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| id like to see moa in for cusack and all i saying is i dont think agar has the bottle to drop the likes of radders
, dowes and cusack because there the more older experienced blokes in the team were as its easier to drop the likes of sam moa like he did last year. cusack dint do nothing wrong but think moa would offer us more so look at what im saying . and its hard to say that players dont deserve to be dropped becasue what about the likes of sam moa, washy ect they need the chance to show why they deserve to be in the side and that will happen in training
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| Quote ="arliebird"all i saying is i dont think agar has the bottle to drop the likes of radders
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Yet he had the bottle to take the captaincy off him!!
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| I'd like to see Sam play instead of Cusack but you cant drop anyone from the side because they all played well.
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| Quote ="arliebird"id like to see moa in for cusack and all i saying is i dont think agar has the bottle to drop the likes of radders
, dowes and cusack because there the more older experienced blokes in the team were as its easier to drop the likes of sam moa like he did last year. cusack dint do nothing wrong but think moa would offer us more so look at what im saying . and its hard to say that players dont deserve to be dropped becasue what about the likes of sam moa, washy ect they need the chance to show why they deserve to be in the side and that will happen in training'"
If the players on the field fail to perform then they get replaced. That's generally how it works, regardless of how well someone is going in training. Moa, Washy and the rest will get their chance at some point - through injuries if not from failing performances.
One game into the season and you're moaning about Agar's lack of testicular fortitude when there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to be dropped. Get a grip.
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