And there we have it - I like your post but each supporter will always be on the side of his own player. How do we differentiate between Wreckless and Mistimed I don't think we can.

Presuming you were there and I don't think you were - Eorl got boo'd football style after said tackle so I think lots saw it.

Wasn't a massive offence. He just put his shoulder in with no attempt to grab. The very definition of a shoulder charge. Miller in the event drops ball n it's a knock on.!!!!!!!!!!! Can't remember score at that time but it was tight and we were on your line.
The Ellis incident is a joke. Only the end result has made it a big deal. It's r l, players take big shots, sometimes they get up sometimes not. There's a shot like that in most games, most times the player gets back up n all's well.
The thing that winds me up is the people deciding on the 'offence' you can bet will have never played the game ever!!

Nothing wrong with the hit and will be a complete joke if he cops a ban. Ellis is square on and goes to wrap his arms around the player. If were now going to penalise and ban for any contact from a players torso we might as well just make it touch rugby and have done with it. Pathetic.

I said the same about ellis' challenge, I thought they both looked worse than they were if im honest,im not on the side of anyone I am just telling it how I saw it.

Or as ungracious in victory...

I'm at every game !!

Never heard any booing

Eorl's was as clear a shoulder charge as you will ever see.

How about pins dropping at the Galpharm.
Any joy there?

So then, 2 very similar incidents with only 1 of them actually getting charged - and its the one who GOT CHARGED thats a joke ??

You even said yourself - "It's r l, players take big shots" - but i take it that only applies when it suits your player/teams argument?.

If Eorl did commit an illegal dangerous tackle then i hope, as i would with any of our players, that he gets pulled for it and appropriate action taken against him.

To be fair i can understand the frustrations of Hull fans as we have had 2 men sent off for similiar incidents because the opposition player was injured (not necessarily the challenge) so us Giants fans know how you feel. In the end though you actually benefitted from it by having the opportunity to play on and score from the incident.

Yep, plenty - unless we've just took another 2 league points which is more interesting to me than anything to do with pins

Wasn't similar really as such. Eorl had ran to pressure kicker, wasn't gonna get there, turned shoulder into him. Not a chargeable/banning offence either in my opinion but a more clear cut pen as dictated by the rulebook. As it happens it resulted in a knock on being called. Poor refereeing

Couldn`t see much in the Ellis tackle apart from a penalty for head contact.
Every match we watch, shoulder contact of some kind goes on if we go out to look for them, as long as it does not contact the head, it should be ok.
The game is going soft.

FC fans are angry because they think they will lose their marquee player for their most important game to date this season. Giants fans are because the ref was an incompetent fool.
I don't think Ellis should get a ban because As I've said before I don't think it warrants one- I do think it was a penalty, regardless of his right shoulder hitting the back of robbos head or not his left arm appears to hit above the shoulder.
A caution about his technique should be the outcome of the panels decision.
When that IMO correct decision is made no doubt all the FC fans will be back crowing about how they were right, justice etc.

Of course if the correct decision to award the penalty was made at the time we wouldn't be having this debate.

Are you saying that the review panel wouldn't have bothered with this charge if Hudds had been given a penalty ?

Ellis flattened Robinson due to the angle of the tackle, not the technique, watched it on slow motion and full speed now and in my opinion it was like a truck hitting a fly.

Its always going to look worse in those circumstances, every other tackle on Rob Burrow looks fatal but usually it's just a case of mass... here's some physics for you ...

The fly (robinson) and truck (ellis) experience the same force, the same impulse, and the same momentum change.
As Robinson has less mass he will therefore experience the impact more (considered to be acceleration in physics); Ellis does not feel the extremely small acceleration of the impact.
Furthermore, the Robinson is composed of a less muscle mass and bulk and thus gets flattened (akin to a Fly getting splattered all over the windshield).

So we conclude this with the realisation that smaller players are just generally more splatterable.

I dont post on here much now, but here goes, last night on the superleague show Harris says " They must have a different camera angle because on that angle there's no shoulder contact" Peacock says " nothing in it typical big man on little man tackle". I hope the club fight this as from where i was sat in the West stand I couldn't see anything wrong with it and again last night I couldn't see anything wrong with it. Its time for fans to stop listening to the inane drivel on sky where every other tackle Eddie wants to call into question the use of a shoulder and realize its rough its tough its RUGBY LEAGUE. ps my own son has taken his fair share of dubious hits over the years and I can't remember him complaining once

Eddie is a total tool and loves nothing more than stirring up a bit of controversy. I agree with head shots being looked at but in a high speed impact sport you've got to use a bit of common sense. I could see no intent on Ellis's part and also looking at Robinsons body shape and the angle of his run IMO he just got caught with a big hit.

Did anyone see the Wakey v Widnes game lat night?

Leuleui's flying shoulder charge into the ribs of a Wakefield player? Clear shoulder shot. Cummings said that he hadnt rotated the hips to gain greater force and his arms were around the ball carrier.

So, basically a similar scenario to Ellis on Robinson, except Ellis didn't go shoulder first.

If it had been that bad, you would expect (yes I know) that ref or TJ would have seen it. It was right in front of me and I just thought "wham - what a hit!"

If there'd been a clear high shot, shoulder charge or "attack" to the head, I wouldn't have been as annoyed as I am with the summons, but it was just a big hit and, as I've said before, the fact that Robinson was hurt and stayed down has influenced the decision to call Ellis up, not the challenge itself. IMHO of course.

Couldn't agree more. They get these incidents wrong so many times its turning into a farce. It just seems to depend on if the opposition player is injured / stays down or if they complain loudly enough.

And Anderson has set the precedent. Whinge and moan enough and the "offending" player gets called up. I don't want to see the game turn into a whingefest, but I hope PG is learning what he has to do more of.

if ellis gets a ban,it will be a total disgrace after what poore of wakefield got away with.

Indeed - I also heard Barry McDermott talking about how he'd 'sat in' on the judiciary panel's deliberation over the Poore incident last week. He waxed lyrical about how he thought the correct decision had been reached and how the process was fair and logical etc. etc. Think he said it was Steve Ganson, Paul Dixon and someone else on the panel. He might have thought it was all very good but it didn't fill me with any confidence.

As you say Stuart Cummings effectively described Ellis' body position with the Leuluai incident. Should never have been charged.