Maybe the club didn’t have the ambition Radford had? Maybe the club doesn't have the pulling power to bring in the best players. Maybe that's down to location, maybe not. But he had to keep on the likes of Ellis and Mini well past their prime, he even had to pull Ellis back out of retirement because he didn’t have the best tools provided for him to work with.

He also had to conted with a nutcase in Liam Watts who couldn't controll his discipline after many chances and then lost his star man in Albert Kelly to a terrible concussion injury.

Garbage! too many lazy players with a CBA attitude! Weak mentally and physically.

Yep he played well. For me he offers more than Fash and should be ahead of him for selection next season.

Another game towards a load of e leaving. Can't wait

That was disappointing to say the least I expected better after last week, you know take a knock and come back fighting but welcome to our end of season Mr Smith. The plan is this; once avoiding relegation is ensured every bloody year we drop off just look at the stats over the last few seasons, it's spooky.

It certainly not Tony's fault this year and I'm still 100% behind him for he inherited the culture, he's changed it in some cases but none the less it is still there inherent in the very DNA of many at Hull FC. We do however expect better next season but its hard to accept we will get it. as the best players we have this year are leaving the club and Swift apart once they got themselves sorted they have gone backwards. When a club prides itself on everyone knowing the play book and everyone knowing the plan you simply can't blame injuries etc for disrupting the team. That was a poor Leeds team and neither club deserve to be in the top six but they were far better than us on the day.

I look forward to next years squad with interest.

The amount of times he got his arm free for an offload and no one was near him was unreal

Take it from me mate you really shouldn't have wished that.

Sounded like they missed my presence from the sidelines.

I'm with the earlier poster in this thread. The cold Friday nights are best, well wrapped up with a cup of hot bovril.

Harsh to criticise lane today as he played about 70 mins out of position. Got an assist with the most telegraphed pass ever.

Real poor from pack today, hopefully Ashworth, Ese’Ese, Pele & Okunbor make a massive difference.

For me, today should be last game shaul, joey and Dwyer play for the club. All leaving and not exactly pulling up trees.

Thought brown really had a go today and was probably the most effective forward. Taylor made too many unforced errors which got us on the back foot.

Fans seem to love Harvey Barron but to me that’s because he’s from hull and tries hard. He’s not shown anything to suggest he’s a SL winger. If Mcintosh is out next week Lewis Martin has to get his shot.

Only positive was we looked much better at moving the ball with tex on pitch

Really poor again. You can tell from the first five or ten minutes whether we are in for a good day or not and today you could definitely see from the start it was going to be another dismal display.

Thank God Leeds weren't that good and had half a team missing.

When the pressure is on we return to type.

Very disappointed today, it was the same dejavu performance of every August/September for the last 5 years.

We looked devoid of effort and ideas, proof of it was needed that several players aren't of the right standard.

Also baffled with keeping Dwyer on the bench until 13mins to go, may as well give a young kid a run out than have him sat there.

I still have faith in Smith as he's been lumbered with a poor squad. Evans and Lovodua as quota players really??

But if we keep playing as badly as today then all it does is increase the pressure to get off to a good start next year. A win or two before the end of the season tops up the goodwill a bit.

Its also worrying that Swift was Mom again and he's leaving, you know things are bad when a winger is getting mom for driving the ball up and trying hard

I simply cannot understand why Balmforth is not getting game time.

He'll benefit from the experience going in to next season.

To be fair. Its only a fan vote

Wondering if there is a salary cap or loan clause reason why he cant play, as keeping him at doomed to relegation Newcastle wont be progressing him much. Either that or Smith simply doesnt rate him.

Yes and that means wingers and halves will always stand out more as fans often vote for whos scored etc. But even if it was a panel vote he'd still have been a contender for MoM today, he was one of a few who looked like they had a clue.

Massively disappointed. Really fancied us to put in a performance and win today but couldn't have been more wrong.

As others have said, Swift and Jack Brown very good and oh what it would have been like to see Clifford play behind a big pack..

Death, taxes and Hull FC crap in September.

Ignoring the random 2020 season which went on until November and we got to the play off semi our September record is hideous

2015 W0 L4
2016 W1 L4
2017 W2 L2
2018 W0 L4
2019 W0 L2
2021 W0 L3
2022 W0 L1
2023 W0 L1

They’ll be a season that doesn’t end it complete disappointment eventually

felt like we had gone back to the start of the season at some points today, awful defence and lazy. looked better with Hoy in halves.

The most impressive bit of skill this afternoon was the young kid kicking the ball in the car boot 3 times

And even those 2016 and 2017 wins were only against Cas and Wakefield! Absolute discrace.

Good stuff and very enlightening we aint that good at doing Septembers are we?

If you do what I did this week (saddo that I am) and compare the point we dropped off and went backwards and the league position we were in at that point and the points we had in the bag, its always there or there about on when we were safe from going down. Since the Radford buddy buddy days when many were guaranteed a contract for the next season well before the end of the current one, (with relegated teams contracts null and void) that ensure it guaranteed players another years contract. I know that's not the case these days but it seems strange that the same trait is there now. Its almost in the players DNA The players that we know were leaving played fine until the Wigan game (the week one of the bottom two couldn't catch us) now with the exception of Swift they are not, makes you think really!!!

But we came close in those two semi finals to get to Old Trafford. In 2016 we came from behind at the JJB even with a key cog of that team, Sika Manu missing. Only to narrowly lose out in the finalminutes. And in 2017. We came from behind to take the lead at Headingly only to lose out to a late Sutcliffe try. We'd have done Castleford in that final no problem, as Leeds did.

The point is, we we're competitive and in the mix when the silverware was decided. We could only dream of that right now because we're miles away.