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| Quote ="Sheldon"But we do look and have signed players from there.
In your own list of 14 we've signed 2!'"
Exactly! That is precisely the reason we should have offloaded Dowes, and gone with potential rather than the mundane!
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Exactly! That is precisely the reason we should have offloaded Dowes, and gone with potential rather than the mundane!'"
We didn't need potential. We needed cover for next season.
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| moaning about a signed player....done...deal with it as it aint gunna change
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Exactly! That is precisely the reason we should have offloaded Dowes, and gone with potential rather than the mundane!'"
Jack Briscoe
Reece Lyne
Danny Nicklas
Chris Green
Liam Kent
Liam Cunningham
Ben Crooks
Like that kind of potential?
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Most SL clubs don't need to find a prop from the lower leagues, when they do have the need - they do sign them. Loads of examples throughout Super League. Not saying we should sign all of these, but off the top of my head, here's some examples of forwards that looked superior to Dowes the last 2 seasons...
Jack Howieson - Sheffield Eagles
Stuart Dickens - Featherstone Rovers. Proven class year after year, a veteran now though.
Adam Higson - Leigh Centurions. 2nd Rower but bags of potential and could push Lauaki to prop.
Chris Young - Barrow Looks a very useful prop and brought up in Aus iirc.
I'm sure there's loads more I've not seen/can't remember. I remember seeing a good kid at Dewsbury but I can't remember his name. Just because we made an error with Maloney, doesn't mean we should give up!'"
As I have said before but you have choosen to ignore it Dickins was the best prop in the league last year, got voted in the top 3 players in the natioanl league and made the Dream Team however, a few years ago he signed for Salford in SL, only played 9 games in a team that finished bottom, went back to Fev the next season, tried but wasn't good enough.
Also why we would pay and sign a backrower when we have 3 young backrowers coming through?
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| Quote ="Raggytash"These are just the ones that jump out at me, there are soooo many I could go on and on though. Everyone was signed from the lower leagues, not necessarily for the teams they play for now though.
Leeds - Luke Ambler, Kyle Amor, Ian Kirke
Us - Rich Whiting
Huddersfield - Lee Gilmour, Danny Brough, Danny Kirmond, Shaun Lunt, Greg McNally, Andy Raleigh
Saints - Ade Gardner, Jon Wilkin
Wire - Richard Myler
Kr - Fox
It's a real shame our scouting system don't have any 'funny quirks'!!!'"
Well done you have named 15 players from the last 10 years (most of which signed for SL clubs when they 17/18 and took time to get into the first team) 3 of which haven't even made it as SL players yet.
They are one or two players in that league who could play SL to that level, but not many and if they are good enough they are will get signed by SL clubs.
Hull looked at Hardraker and made him an offer so the club does scout the lower leagues, in fact the club signed Brough, Whiting, Maloney from these leagues.
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| It's the same old , just because we haven't signed the players doesn't mean we haven't tried.
No doubt Fielden and LMS were about to sign but read the miserable s on here and thought ' that'.
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| Quote ="Dave K."
Hull looked at Hardraker and made him an offer so the club does scout the lower leagues, '"
Really? So we defo made an offer, 100%? how do you know this?
What happened? Leeds quicker than us again?
Just like we went after the young 7 in Cumbria but dragged out heels and Leeds pipped us again.
Something there isnt there? does Kath let it all out when on the job and Gary jumps in?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Well done you have named 15 players from the last 10 years (most of which signed for SL clubs when they 17/18 and took time to get into the first team) 3 of which haven't even made it as SL players yet.
They are one or two players in that league who could play SL to that level, but not many and if they are good enough they are will get signed by SL clubs.
Hull looked at Hardraker and made him an offer so the club does scout the lower leagues, in fact the club signed Brough, Whiting, Maloney from these leagues.'"
Most??? Actually, only 4 of the 15 signed when they was 18. Hardly an overwhelming majority! You clearly are against the idea of giving NL players a chance, but don't make up statistics to back up an opinion!
Luke Ambler 19
Kyle Amor 22
Richard Whiting 19
Lee Gilmour 18
Danny Brough 22
Danny Kirmond 22
Shaun Lunt 22/23
Greg McNally 18
Any Raleigh 25
Ade Gardner 19
Jon Wilkin 18
Richie Myler 18
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| Are you ignoring some of their first spells with sl clubs?
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Most??? Actually, only 4 of the 15 signed when they was 18. Hardly an overwhelming majority! You clearly are against the idea of giving NL players a chance, but don't make up statistics to back up an opinion!
Luke Ambler 19
Kyle Amor 22
Richard Whiting 19
Lee Gilmour 18
Danny Brough 22
Danny Kirmond 22
Shaun Lunt 22/23
Greg McNally 18
Any Raleigh 25
Ade Gardner 19
Jon Wilkin 18
Richie Myler 18
Peter Fox 22'"
I dont think he watches much NL
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Are you ignoring some of their first spells with sl clubs?'"
Not a case of ignoring. If a junior gets released from a SL club because they're deemed not good enough, and then go on to make it as a NL player, they become a NL player. The majority of players in the NL's have been released by SL clubs.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"You clearly are against the idea of giving NL players a chance'"
How on earth did you leap to that conclusion?
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| Quote ="Kosh"How on earth did you leap to that conclusion?
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Possibly because the discussion I'm having involves me saying we should sign a NL player rather than take the easy option, and him arguing against signing an NL player. It was a fairly easy conclusion to jump to!
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"Really? So we defo made an offer, 100%? how do you know this?
What happened? Leeds quicker than us again?
Just like we went after the young 7 in Cumbria but dragged out heels and Leeds pipped us again.
Something there isnt there? does Kath let it all out when on the job and Gary jumps in?'"
If you forget the fact i'm a Hull supporter and i had the chance between signing for Hull and Leeds i would choose Leeds everytime.
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| but you all forget that when the mighty FC come asking all players instantly reach for the pen to sign dont they ??
because three players wen elsewhere or resigned for their current clubs does not constitute a conspiricy or rejection of FC but merely a number of details that made them do their own thing..
wether some like it or not the SL world do actually see FC as a massive club its a pity certain fans dont
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Quote ="Dave K."Well done you have named 15 players from the last 10 years (most of which signed for SL clubs when they 17/18 and took time to get into the first team) 3 of which haven't even made it as SL players yet.
They are one or two players in that league who could play SL to that level, but not many and if they are good enough they are will get signed by SL clubs.
Hull looked at Hardraker and made him an offer so the club does scout the lower leagues, in fact the club signed Brough, Whiting, Maloney from these leagues.'"
Most??? Actually, only 4 of the 15 signed when they was 18. Hardly an overwhelming majority! You clearly are against the idea of giving NL players a chance, but don't make up statistics to back up an opinion!
Luke Ambler 19
Kyle Amor 22
Richard Whiting 19
Lee Gilmour 18
Danny Brough 22
Danny Kirmond 22
Shaun Lunt 22/23
Greg McNally 18
Any Raleigh 25
Ade Gardner 19
Jon Wilkin 18
Richie Myler 18
Peter Fox 22'"
Not at all, by first choice would be to give our young a chance but we have none quiet ready, but I hear Chris Green is a made a big impact last year and he has a chance of playing SL in a few games this year, maybe why Dowes only signed a one year deal.
Again you have only named 12 players in the last 10 years to make the step up.
Also noticed you haven't responded to my Dickins comment, a player you think could be a SL player. S
I would love us to sign National league players, but clearly they aren't good enough, for 12 who have made good SL player they are loads that make the step up that aren't good enough.
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"Really? So we defo made an offer, 100%? how do you know this?
What happened? Leeds quicker than us again?
Just like we went after the young 7 in Cumbria but dragged out heels and Leeds pipped us again.
Something there isnt there? does Kath let it all out when on the job and Gary jumps in?'"
Not 100%, not many can be but Rotherham Fev fan stated that Hull, Wigan, warrington and us made him an offer.
Sadley out of the 4 we would be last team most players would sign for.
Also who is the Cumbrian 7 we missed out on? You aren't taking about the one who signed for Huddersfield are you
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| Quote ="BESTY"If you forget the fact i'm a Hull supporter and i had the chance between signing for Hull and Leeds i would choose Leeds everytime.'"
Me too. I've always maintained that disregarding the fan aspect, I believe it comes down to 3 main things for a player: Trophies, Coach, and Money. For me, only 1 of those factors is a possible trump card Hull could play, and it's the one I'd prioritise last of the 3.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not at all, by first choice would be to give our young a chance but we have none quiet ready, but I hear Chris Green is a made a big impact last year and he has a chance of playing SL in a few games this year, maybe why Dowes only signed a one year deal.
Again you have only named 12 players in the last 10 years to make the step up.
Also noticed you haven't responded to my Dickins comment, a player you think could be a SL player. S
I would love us to sign National league players, but clearly they aren't good enough, for 12 who have made good SL player they are loads that make the step up that aren't good enough.'"
I know it is going off topic - but is this the elephant in the room on the quota reduction argument? Short-termism - a failure to give young players a chance is blamed for the influx of average Aussies. We'll see how it pans out, but what you seem to be suggesting and what I'm wondering is whether it isn't a shortage of opportunities, but a shortage of players that is preventing us competing as we'd like at international level?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not 100%, not many can be but Rotherham Fev fan stated that Hull, Wigan, warrington and us made him an offer.
Sadley out of the 4 we would be last team most players would sign for.
Also who is the Cumbrian 7 we missed out on? You aren't taking about the one who signed for Huddersfield are you
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Dunno his name, but one of our scouts saw him, told the club, kath et all talked about it, we did nowt for 2 weeks. By the time the scout said to the club have you done anything and the club goes to talk to him, Leeds had come form nowhere to sign him
Makes you wonder what Kath talks about over cornflakes
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| Quote ="Dave K."Not at all, by first choice would be to give our young a chance but we have none quiet ready, but I hear Chris Green is a made a big impact last year and he has a chance of playing SL in a few games this year, maybe why Dowes only signed a one year deal.
Again you have only named 12 players in the last 10 years to make the step up.
Also noticed you haven't responded to my Dickins comment, a player you think could be a SL player. S
I would love us to sign National league players, but clearly they aren't good enough, for 12 who have made good SL player they are loads that make the step up that aren't good enough.'"
I didn't respond to your Dickins comment, because you chose to ignore the fact that on that post, I prefixed the list with "Not saying we should sign all of these, but off the top of my head..."
I have only named 14 but that was only the first 4 clubs I glanced at. I could quite easily produce you a list of 30+ minimum if you like?
I would also like to see our youth progress, but Green nor Crooks are ready, and won't become ready watching Dowes play for 80 minutes whilst sat down as 18th man. The u21's is simply unable to harden players physically as the National League is.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I know it is going off topic - but is this the elephant in the room on the quota reduction argument? Short-termism - a failure to give young players a chance is blamed for the influx of average Aussies. We'll see how it pans out, but what you seem to be suggesting and what I'm wondering is whether it isn't a shortage of opportunities, but a shortage of players that is preventing us competing as we'd like at international level?'"
I think Rugby League has something in common with Football in the shortage of players situation, in that it comes to how talent is spotted/developed at young ages. There's a tendency to go with the more physically developed kids over the naturally talented/skilful ones, emphasising power over craft, so plenty are lost to the game. With such a relatively small talent pool in our game already, it's an attitude we can little afford to remain IMO.
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| Quote ="Raggytash"The u21's is simply unable to harden players physically as the National League is.'"
Agree with that bit a lot, and would also add mentally to it. I always said we should have had Tommy Lee playing in the NLs from 18 learning to play scrum half properly, and it's still something I don't think we take advantage of properly even with the dual contract situation now.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Agree with that bit a lot, and would also add mentally to it. I always said we should have had Tommy Lee playing in the NLs from 18 learning to play scrum half properly, and it's still something I don't think we take advantage of properly even with the dual contract situation now.'"
Same here.
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