Hardly a fair comparison when we're 2 games into the season.

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You'll notice that Tony missed 10 tackles in 14 games and Byrne missed 32 in 18 games. You'll also notice that Tony came up with 7 errors in 14 games and Byrne came up with 17 errors in 18 games.

Now - which would you say looked the safest?

As Disraeli said "Lies, damn lies and statistics."



Byrne only played 5 games at full back last season, the rest were on the wing or centre so we're not comparing like for like.

I don't really care enough about it to argue the point. I like Motu as a player, I just don't think he's a good full back, just a personal thing, plenty of people agree with me, but I guess just as many will disagree. I'm quite happy at the moment to have Byrne playing at full back, Motu will have to win his place back IMO which is the way it should be, no one should guaranteed a spot in the team.

Putting stats to one side i think Motu has got an unfair reputation of not been safe under the high ball based on one game early last year. He has taken numerous bombs safely since and doesnt get the praise.

Unfortunately many people only see what they want to see.

As long as you're going to admit that your opinion is entirely irrational and not based on fact that's fine with me.

Still puts the $hits up you though........Watch both Bryne and Tony on a bomb...1 watches the ball into his arms all the way and actually catches it better...other 1 one watches but turns to a side in case of dropping the thing.

Correct, Dave.

He made a couple of errors early in that Quins game at the start of last season but actually after that had a decent game, unlike most of his team mates and despite some idiots in the crowd getting on his back.

So fans are idiots for moaning he has dropped a couple.

It wasn't just moaning though, was it.

They are entitled to boo him or sarcastically cheer him when he catches the ball, and I am entitled to call them idiots for doing so.

I have never booed a player,i admit to slagging him off on here and would do it again and im big enough to admit that he got better and better...as for cheering..i did..so thats me a idiot then....

Which is the technique taught to all good fullbacks just in case!

Its taken a while but admitting that is the first step to beating it!!

Its true though, the coaching manuals say so!

The Motu coaching manual?

The proper manuals saying how to take a high ball, arms out fingers pointing up in the air, eye on the ball, twist backward when you take it incase it slips out. (the ball that is)

I like Motu, and has been said he's great bringing the ball back, it's a hard choice between the 2 really.
Where's the next Gary Kemble when you need him

best fullback under the high ball I ever saw & not too shabby one on one as well as been able to bring the ball back up the field. Really wish we had a F/B with all his attributes.

Strange though...i have never seen the great Full backs twist as they catch it...but if its fact then how can you argue.

Maybe none of them have had the thorough technical training that Motu has had!?

Spot on, after the two knock on's early in the game he went on to be our best player that day,

heard today from a good source he wont play for hull this season

Was the source someone who knows you'd post it on here?

TBH though he may not be far wide of the mark. Recurring leg injuries of this nature can often be career ending. Hope not.