No because then we were pretty abismal and so was the club as a whole and we all knew it, you can’t compare those times to now. However bad we where then at least the players gave it their best shot and would probably show a thing or two to the current cosseted bunch.

The club now has everything it needs to be successful the players want for nothing but yet they serve up again. At least back then we had real reasons as why we were so poor. That’s why I disillusioned but guess unless you aren’t allowed an opinion if you don’t look through the rose tinted glasses.

Call it what you like if that makes you happy but you don’t know me so your assumption of it being ‘Hyperbole’ is totally wrong but you fill your boots and keep pretending we’re serious challengers.

Ratu looked good from the start, ain’t taken long for him to slip into the hull way!!!!

I just have a feeling of total apathy now. We may well beat Cas next week, but I just don't care.

Radford is going nowhere, which sadly means the club is going nowhere.

But we won two challenge cups 2 years ago and we aren’t in the bottom 4 what more do you want???



You’ll be getting a black mark on here saying things that and expressing such opinion

Where is Mr Wiz and friends when you need their eloquent appraisal

They’ve probably just got home from the pub, after watching the game.

Like me.

Edited for accuracy.

OK lets look more recently then, you are saying that you are more deflated than 2014 when we finished 11th and got knocked out of the cup at the first stage? That's up to you.

Where did I say you aren't allowed an opinion? I was just disagreeing with you, chill out.

You were critical, along with your other half of this guys feelings not his opinion and were both quick to do.
You cannot quantify how he feels and so to disagree with his emotions shows a lack of respect or empathy on both your parts.

No one is chatting the 90s or the more recent time you've quoted above and more importantly no one is bothered about that, it's boring and of no consequence.

We're discussing the here and now and if that is how he feels then so be it.
You don't have to agree but nor do you need to appear condescending.

I think it's fair to question someone saying this is the lowest they have felt in 40 years given what else has gone on in those 40 years.

Admittedly a lot has happened but they're his thoughts and emotions, after yet another dreadful performance, who are we to question that?

You/ComeOnYouUll clearly disagree, as is your right to do so but you are highly critical and stifle opinion in your defence and self instilled protection of Lee and the club against other posters who don't share your views.
Now I'm not getting into this as it's a massive thread drift and of no relevance to the topic of last night's match.

Look, the poster in question said this was the lowest feeling for 40 years. I think it's entirely reasonable to question that. You then said the 90s were irrelevant and boring. They are not, this was precisely the point. I feel that this is a relatively good position in the context of my 30 years supporting the club and feel satisfied that in a resource context if you flipped Salford and Leeds we are punching at our weight. Hopefully you will afford those feelings due respect and empathy.

He said it was his lowest feeling and only he knows. There will be other factors involved including life stages. Back in my 20s I wasnt that bothered about how we played as I was invariably lashed and he may be the same but whether you like it or not, only he can say how he feels in relation to another time in his life.

As for the game, utter shat and the same old weve come to expect. It's like watching a bunch of young kids running around not knowing what to do. Absolutely shambolic performance particularly poor with ball in hand

We can change the forwards all we want, but if they are getting the ball standing still, or receiving a poor drop off from our spine, then can only see it being the same next season.
Quick question.....when was the last time you saw one of our halves get clobbered after passing the ball like we did to huddersfield last night? Answer.....no idea, as our halves dont engage the line!

I particularly enjoyed the 90s, probably a bit too much.
I was referring to the subject matter of the post being irrelevant and boring.

Resource context? Punching our weight?
What are you on about?
We were a couple of years ago the 3rd highest supported club in terms of attendance, iirc, only bettered by Leeds and Wigan, add in to that the gate receipts from finals.
In a salary capped sport with a relative level playing field cut the bs and spin. It does not wash.
Convince yourself all is rosy, Lee is the best coach ever and we're punching above our weight.
Set your expectations low and then you can never be disappointed.

Last night was yet another abysmal, inept, gutless performance against an even poorer side we should have beaten.
These displays and last nights Hull team are becoming a regular occurrence.
It's not acceptable and ultimately the head coach is responsible as the manager/leader of said group.

Don't question her Jake, you'll make yourself dizzy as you get caught up in her world of spin

I'm married mate and used to listening to the incessant buzzing in my ear so am immune to it

Connor ran across the line looking to create gaps and showed again he is a much better centre than stand off.

Sneyd, kicking game aside will just catch and pass so far away from the defensive line, making us easy to read and defend against.
You could count on 1 hand the amount of quality games he's had were he's taken on the line.

But but he's a double Lance Todd trophy winner I hear some of you say.
That does not make him a good player but merely the best player in that particular game. He is no where near international level and never will be until he adds more to his game and stops becoming a 1 trick pony.
He's got it in him, we just rarely see it.
But again imo our halves were still better then Hudds last night and should have bossed that game.

Our attacking structures are non existent which is why were so awful in the opposition 20. It looks like we simply don't do any attack training, nor di we back up the man with the ball, make much use of offload or dummy runners. And our passing is simply woeful. I saw one occasion last night when sneyd passed the ball and it bounced before reaching the player he passed to.

Changes needed imo

And who gives you the right to question how I feel?? No one!!

Feelings are personal to each individual are feelings right or wrong?Feelings are neither -they just are. If I said I felt hot would you question that? Yes you could argue it wasn’t warm but couldn’t question that I felt hot!! As you can’t know how I feel.

You are not a judge, a jury or an executioner yet discredit people’s opinions or feelings that don’t match yours yet want your views to be respected.
I’ve backed you up over the years when people called you for your negative diatribeas a form of self preservation but I think its more a case of youre just so full of yourself and you think your view/opinions are the only ones that count.

Now before I get accused of thread drift/derailment last night was just utter garbage and not good enough for a team hoping and talking crap like making a GF. Jesus wept the have been nilled twice, in recent weeks and were hot favourites to be relegated and we serve up another p!5s poor performance. The coach has had more than enough time to sort out the levels of performance and he simply hasn’t in fact I’d argue we are worse. Had Huddersfield been any better than utter themselves we’d have been 12 nil down after about 7 mins.

And the old but we won 2 challenge cups and in the top 5 after been told we’d finish bottom 4 arguemeny doesn’t wash either and you can only dine out of past success for so long before the plate is empty. We have had two massive opportunities to all but seal 2nd spot and failed spectacularly.

Do think we’ll look back at the last few years as a golden opportunity to win a Grand Final.
The quality of opposition generally has not been that amazing (compare this years Saints to the 2006 version that beat us), and a few tweaks could have seen us actually win the thing.

As for last night the amount of lateral movement was ridiculous, and has really crept into our game this year.
Lazy offloads onto static players (just passing responsibility on) going from side to side was symptomatic of the clueless nature of the performance. Shaul was the worst offender and has been all season.
Easy to defend and shows a real lack of attacking structures.

I agree Jake and said it many a times as have many others pointing to the issues they see as part of the problem. These issues were even more evident last night against team like Huddersfield (no disrespect) but our structures are just non existent. It was embarrassing to see players running along the line and team mates waving them to go forward yet none were prepared or making themselves available.
It’s all to cosy in squad and seemingly they and Radford are untouchable.

I’ve been willing to give Radford time as believed he’d earned the right to do so but last night it was clear to see he can’t take us any further. The same failings are there, no changes or improvements have been made, none of the issues seem to be being addressed in training. We continue to be too static as a group both in defence and attack. Think Radford relies to heavily on individual briliance by the players rather than instilling proper structures and plays into the group as a team hence why when one or two players have a poor night they all have a poor night.

With the money and facilities invested in the club by AP the product in the field is failing massively and that just isn’t right.

You've fallen into a trap of your own making here. Show some respect and empathy for me feeling OK that that we are at a level commensurate with our resources please. If you feel that the infrastructure and resources of our club are in the same ball park as Warrington, who own their own ground and have a backer worth £157m, I would respectfully disagree.

Positives - Shaul had his first decent game this season. Jordan Lane is the real deal, and far too smart a player for a Radford team. Satae is a machine.

Negatives - no effort or desire, no leader, no camaraderie. Said to my mate when we scored our second try and tied up the the score hardly anyone celebrated. Players already on the beach.

Work commitments mean it won’t make sense for me to bother with a season pass next year and honestly I’m less and less gutted about it every week.