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| Quote ="Doc Brown"For me Miller didn't do anything wrong last year. Yeah, he didn't set the world alight with his performances but we should take into consideration that he joined us mid-season and needed time to settle. I also don't think it helped that he had to play alongside Holdsworth who was not a good player for us IMO.'"
I agree. I thought that he actually showed steady improvement almost every game (at least up until the CC Final, at which point our season started to fall apart everywhere). He was certainly nowhere near as bad as the character/player assassination that is now going on suggests.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"He was certainly nowhere near as bad as the character/player assassination that is now going on suggests.'" Par for the course by many on here.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Again, your argument that somebody not playing is proof that they shouldn't be playing, based seemingly on 'the coach is right' is absolute bullshine.'"
AP is his own man then.. so why is he not telling our coaching staff to play him? He's meant to be a top earner? Or is he leaving it to the coach to f*@k up? Get your head our your arise mate....
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"I've already said why he isn't getting a game..because 17 year olds are running over the top of him, & he's not as good as HTW & he's 17 & not ready for SL..I've said I want him to play & prove me wrong there's nothing I would like better if its to help our team compete...but realistically he's poor & another regrettable poop pot signing..make of it what you want..or pop to training & have a look yourself...or if you know anyone at the club that's involved with training ask them?'"
This isnt true, I know the young kids rate him very highly, and are probably as confused as the rest of us to why he isnt getting a game, personnaly think its down to salary cap, but who knows
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"AP is his own man then.. so why is he not telling our coaching staff to play him? He's meant to be a top earner? Or is he leaving it to the coach to f*@k up? [uGet your head our your arise mate...[/u.'"
It's not up to the owner to tell the coach who to play. Your blind defence of everything Radford does is one thing, but the underlined sentence makes you look immature and petty.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I agree. I thought that he actually showed steady improvement almost every game (at least up until the CC Final, at which point our season started to fall apart everywhere). He was certainly nowhere near as bad as the character/player assassination that is now going on suggests.'"
No, he wasn't. As I said a few pages back, he made a few mistakes (understandably), but also showed some encouraging signs as well. He might not be the answer to our long term halfback problem, but he's sure as hell done enough to be given a chance to show that he is the answer.
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| Quote ="Kosh"icon_smile.gif
As I understand it...
If a player is one of the top 25 he counts on the cap while at the club regardless of whether he plays a game or not.
However...
If a player is released without having played a cap-relevant game his wages are removed from the cap and any payoff also does not count. So you would immediately free up his entire cap value for a new signing.'"
However you do need prior permission from the RSCM that this will be allowed.
@Sheldon it states that a player registered for a club counts on the cap regardless of him playing a game. So as long as Shannon & Miller are registered they are counting on the "live" cap if they are in the top 25 earners.
As the cap is "live" and the RSCM will not allow other players to sign if it means you will go over the cap, then surely we are not over the cap limit anyway.
We recently signed Colbon and he has played so the RSCM allowed that to go through, so that leads me to believe that we are the cap limit at most.
The whole purpose of the live salary cap is to prevent teams from going over the cap, so we do not have a repeat of the Wigan/Fielden situation where they sign a player to secure top flight status knowing they will go over the cap.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"AP is his own man then.. so why is he not telling our coaching staff to play him? He's meant to be a top earner? Or is he leaving it to the coach to f*@k up? Get your head our your arise mate....'"
1. A chairman should absolutely nothing to do with team selection. Even if he doesn't agree with Radford, he should leave the coach to do the job he's been appointed for and then judge him on the results of his work/decisions.
2. What a player earns should have no bearing on whether or not they play.
Just because a coach makes a decision doesn't mean it is necessarily the right one, otherwise all coaches would agree about everything, and they clearly don't. Your argument is fundamentally flawed (seemingly because the coach in question is your mate (or you want him to be)).
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| For what its worth, I think he should of started the season at 7, the first 5 games where ideal for him, our pack been very good, and defence having plenty of enthusiasm. Think he was ok last season behind a beaten pack, and got let down by is team mates in defence, in to many games, Miller was often first into a tackle and not given the help. I think its clear to see we need scrum half to play scrum half, we've got one, so why not give him a chance
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"I've already said why he isn't getting a game..because 17 year olds are running over the top of him, & he's not as good as HTW & he's 17 & not ready for SL..I've said I want him to play & prove me wrong there's nothing I would like better if its to help our team compete...but realistically he's poor & another regrettable poop pot signing..make of it what you want..or pop to training & have a look yourself...or if you know anyone at the club that's involved with training ask them?'"
Complete and utter rubbish from what I've been told,
When pre-season training started Radders was getting involved in training and Radders being Radders told Miller to get past him which Miller did easily leaving Radders grasping for thin air everytime Radders tried to tackle him.
Miller wasn't brought here for his tackling he was brought here because he is a young halfback with talent, tackling technique can be taught and improved and given thats what Radders is known for you'd expect him to try and help improve Millers technique not hold a grudge because he was made to look a fool by Miller when he tried and failed to tackle Miller.
It makes me laugh how Radford is treating Miller considering it was him who wanted Miller to stay when Miller first found out that Gentle had been sacked and met with Miller and his agent on a number of occasions before he went back home to Australia to convince him to stay.
Ask any of the players they will tell exactly what happened and may even tell you exactly what I've been told that most of Them think Miller is being treated unfairly by Radford.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"No, he wasn't. As I said a few pages back, he made a few mistakes (understandably), but also showed some encouraging signs as well. He might not be the answer to our long term halfback problem, but he's sure as hell done enough to be given a chance to show that he is the answer.'"
Agreed. He's a possible answer, and what we have seen the last few games clearly isn't, so there's nothing to lose by at least looking at him again.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Agreed. He's a possible answer, and what we have seen the last few games clearly isn't, so there's nothing to lose by at least looking at him again.'"
Agree, but whats annoying is bringing back when our pack is going to be at its worst! Leaving him hung out to dry again! Seriously think Radders as got this one wrong
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"1. A chairman should absolutely nothing to do with team selection. '"
Sione Faumuina anyone (allegedly)?
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| Quote ="jacko1"Complete and utter rubbish from what I've been told,
When pre-season training started Radders was getting involved in training and Radders being Radders told Miller to get past him which Miller did easily leaving Radders grasping for thin air everytime Radders tried to tackle him.
Miller wasn't brought here for his tackling he was brought here because he is a young halfback with talent, tackling technique can be taught and improved and given thats what Radders is known for you'd expect him to try and help improve Millers technique not hold a grudge because he was made to look a fool by Miller when he tried and failed to tackle Miller.
It makes me laugh how Radford is treating Miller considering it was him who wanted Miller to stay when Miller first found out that Gentle had been sacked and met with Miller and his agent on a number of occasions before he went back home to Australia to convince him to stay.
Ask any of the players they will tell exactly what happened and may even tell you exactly what I've been told that most of Them think Miller is being treated unfairly by Radford.'"
I'm not sure on the first part, but the last part is certainly true. Most players are baffled as to why Pitts is being left out too. Maybe it's the same reason McDonnell is seeking legal advice?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"1. A chairman should absolutely nothing to do with team selection. Even if he doesn't agree with Radford, he should leave the coach to do the job he's been appointed for and then judge him on the results of his work/decisions.
2. What a player earns should have no bearing on whether or not they play.
Just because a coach makes a decision doesn't mean it is necessarily the right one, otherwise all coaches would agree about everything, and they clearly don't. Your argument is fundamentally flawed (seemingly because the coach in question is your mate (or you want him to be)).'"
I am not bothered who coaches them..I didn't want PG to go I thought he was treat unfair & didn't have enough time tbf...& I have said all along I want the team to compete & plat with a bit of respect for themselves the fans & our club..I don't want to see anyone at FC fail players or coaches.
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| Quote ="*1865*"I'm not sure on the first part, but the last part is certainly true. Most players are baffled as to why Pitts is being left out too. Maybe it's the same reason McDonnell is seeking legal advice?'"
Only repeating what I've been told by a number of the players after asking the reason why Miller isn't playing and that is the only explanation they can come up with.
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| Quote ="jacko1"Only repeating what I've been told by a number of the players after asking the reason why Miller isn't playing and that is the only explanation they can come up with.'" Fair enough, no reason to not believe you given the evidence.
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| Feka wants to be careful then.. because he embarrassed radders a few seasons ago when he trampled him into the DW turf!
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| Quote ="*1865*"Fair enough, no reason to not believe you given the evidence.'"
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A faceless person behind a keyboard claims to be well in with the squad and thats "evidence"
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| But its not only Jacob Miller is it?
Crooks, Lineham (before injury) Shaul & presumably Miller
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| 6 games in and the wheels are falling off already .. What a mess we are in .
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| Quote ="westdock boy in oz"But its not only Jacob Miller is it?
Crooks, Lineham (before injury) Shaul & presumably Miller
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Yeah he's making them get injured & miss tackles & he told crooks to run at carney & get burried into the ground & miss the tackle late on to help cas win the game! There's a way around it I suppose maybe his way of dropping them is either or? Time will tell.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Yeah he's making them get injured & miss tackles & he told crooks to run at carney & get burried into the ground & miss the tackle late on to help cas win the game! There's a way around it I suppose maybe his way of dropping them is either or? Time will tell.'"
We lost the game at Cas because we didn't convert the possession and territory we had into enough points (heard that before haven't we) trying to pin the blame on a young centre missing a tackle is just clutching at straws. We held cas to scoring 3 trys which I believe was the first time in a long time they failed to score more than 30 points let alone 20. Defence was not the issue that day the same as it wasn't the issue on Sunday.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"We lost the game at Cas because we didn't convert the possession and territory we had into enough points (heard that before haven't we) trying to pin the blame on a young centre missing a tackle is just clutching at straws. We held cas to scoring 3 trys which I believe was the first time in a long time they failed to score more than 30 points let alone 20. Defence was not the issue that day the same as it wasn't the issue on Sunday.'"
till the team chosen put in an 80 min performance we are always going to come just short in most games.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"till the team chosen put in an 80 min performance we are always going to come just short in most games.'"
I don't think I've seen any player put in less than an 80 minute (or however long they are on the pitch) performance in terms of physical effort this season which is actually a pleasing thing. Players are always going to make mistakes give away penalties and miss tackles etc. The job of the coach is to prepare the players sufficiently to limit the number of times this happens and to have a game plan that means we can still win.
It's no good Radford coming on the radio and saying we've all known for 10 years that Yeamo can't get his winger away and then critising him for not getting his winger away. He is the one picking him and/or not drilling a pass and catch skill into him in training until he can do it in his sleep. If he is incapable than either stop picking him or dont critise when he doesn't pull it off in a game.
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