I don't think anyone is "happy" with 8th place so far this season nor should they be. However it isn't over yet - we are still in the cup and can get a play off spot and maybe have a run from there.

I would much rather wait until the end of the season to see what has happened and then review the coaching staff position based on what happens. A panic appointment now (eg Noble) is by no means likely to see any improvement and could easily make things worse.

What isn't needed is obsessive and tiresome Agar bashing and what kind of "fan" wants their team to lose?

If you are really that cheesed off don't go or don't renew.

And if anyone really thinks that losing is what is needed please take that attitude to the dobbins, you'll be happy and I most certainly will be.

If the icecreamman can dish it out, then surely he has to expect to receive some back.

He is the worst for starting tit for tat arguments and resorting to petty name calling when a discussion is not going his way.
Also how is sticking the boot it? I found his comments funny and thanked him for them. Not once did I call him an idiot for his views which he is entitled to have. I have disagreed with plenty on here over Agar but have always respected their right to have their own opinion.

And who are you to tell others what to do and what not to do?

It is not just about not being happy with 8th place so far this season. It is about 3 years of failure and no prospect of any improvement in the near future.

Did icecreamy once do a jackonory programme ?

OK keep going even though he and the team obviously upset you, I apologize for not realising that some people really want to part with their hard earned cash to whinge and be miserable.

Same here. A special level of either stupidity or delusion.

I am not pointing the finger at any individual bud,just saying it gets a bit o.t.t. sometimes,but hey,people are big enough to look after themselves on here.
Maybe I should just

That Leeds crossed our line successfully once upto the 71st minute was testimant to Hulls very good defence. Or, in your world does it mean the opposition are poor if your team has good defence. Strange, some of the most exciting games I have seen have been low scoring affairs, one was ever scoreless. Were both teams poor on those occasions?

Judging on Huddersfield getting gupped at Odsal suggests not everyone of the top 6 would have beaten Leeds this weekend just gone.

Its probably worth you gaining some knowledge of the game to begin with. Start with a kids game, U11's perhaps, it will be easier for you to follow.

It was partly to do with Hull's good defence, but more so Leeds' inability to catch, pass, or even carry the ball properly. They bombed about 4 or 5 straightforward tries with the line begging, Peacock alone fouled 2 up by failing to get the ball to the supporting runner after drawing the fullback.

FYI I was part of a coaching team ( I hold a leverl 1 & 2 coaching badge) for 9 yrs from 9s -16s won several pieces of silverware and a league title, several of our players are now in both KR & FC academy with a couple of others training with Yorkshire...I was also dragged around the amateur circuit from the age of 6 yrs old watching both my brothers play, they both turned professional..So I believe it is fair to say I have plenty of knowledge about rugby...
Did your knowledge come from playing at school or just becoming a supporter ?, either way you still are not watching the game correctly!

MMJ - Owned!

As i've said. Average fb. Strong left, weak right. 2 good prob's. 1 good 9. Never played 13 as a pivot. 2 average halves. What do you expect?

I played at School, being part of a Yorkshire Cup and National Cup winning side. I played Youth Club rugby upto U17's. Played open age for only one and a half season as I was seriously injured whilst playing. Subsequently I trained with a few amateur clubs to keep fit for around 7 year. I have been losely involved sports media on coverage of RL. I have watched the professional game for the last 30 years.

Given the conditions, I thought Leeds did ok. Note, I am not saying they were great, fantastic or even slick, just ok. They did the basics better then Hull. Yes, as Carl points out, they spilled the ball on several occasions, due to the wet conditions. Also, as Carl points out, Peacock did bomb two chances, he should have passed to Ablett. Instead he passed to Maguire, who subsequently knocked on. I lost count of the times the likes of Radford, Westerman, Lauaki etc knocked on within the opposition 20 yard line. To say they were poor suggests you either do not consider Hulls defencive effort in the first 70 mins as being good and you have not factored in the wet conditions.

OH, Seb. You still on your one man boycott? Or did you go against your promise of no longer attending whilst Agar was in charge. Either way you appear to have the backbone of a newt

Welcome, like thinker!

(For what it's worth, I believe ICECREAMMAN is a communal sign-on for a few different people within the club, the odd player, maybe some of the coaching and back-room staff. As BB has pointed out the writing style, grammar and (laughingly) opinions change daily. Somedays he's an Aussie, somedays appears to have a long history in this country. Either way, (t)he(y)'s fascinating.)

Thank ye for the welcome! Its all very entertaining reading for a novice poster ha ha!!

I posted on Sunday that the only positive was the fact our defence was good...Leeds also displayed a good defensive game,. However both teams were poor in offence, Leeds were sbetter but by their own standards poor, the Leeds of last season would have put a cricket score against us had we performed like we did on Sunday, Leeds are not the team they were last year, very inconsistent, the game imo was a poor show overall. Given the conditions our forwards should have won the game but they were poor.

Its irrelevant who he is,he certainly gets peoples backs up tho

I've convinced myself the One In Red Pants is involved to a small or large degree, therefore I'm a fan

Well I can only speak for myself obviously, but he doesn't get my back up. That spot is reserved for one man and one man only!!! I was merely, by the intensity of his post(s), perhaps curiously suspicious of his seemingly "agar in" motives. The old cynic in me maybe but who knows eh!!

I speak as someone who has the dubious benefit of physical and (after the last few years), a greater degree of emotional detachment. I have seen and supported Hull FC for 50+ years and like many on here, have seen some great times and some absolute lows. One thing that does rankle with me though, is in the past, no matter how bad we were, we couold always pull something out to beat Leeds. A feat that we have spectacularly failed to achieve under Richard Agar.

When he was promoted to full-time (as opposed to caretaker) 1st team coach/manager, he was promoted beyond his capabilities. He is not, nor ever has been, nor ever will be a successful Superleague team manager. He has introduced a style of play that now leaves me numb. I sit and watch a game and even when we appear to be playing well, I sit and wait for what now appears to be the inevitable: Millenium Magic against KR and the Saints home game being prime examples.

I've got to the point now where I consider myself fortunate that I no longer live in Hull. I can use the excuse that I'm 300 miles away for my non-attendance, rather than feel that I am somehow betraying my heritage.

Thank you Agar, you did this you 2@

Great post my friend sadly you are not on your own. I relish the thought of more seasons of Agar's dull tactics like i relish the thought of having a giant genital wart!!!

if by some miracle,we win the CC,will agar be given another 2 years pretending to be a super league coach with the club??

YES,but warrington changed their coach,and look where they are now.