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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"You are probably right Kosh...however I await offical confirmation because every-one who I speak to (apart from this board) disagree
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This first came up years ago when we lost a playoff game to Wakey. At that time I had the same opinion you have. However, a few Wakey fans emailed the RFL and got emails back indicating that the final positions were AFTER the playoffs and even stating the system used to decide them. Fans of other clubs have made similar enquiries and always got the same response.
I know for a fact that prize money depends on position AFTER the playoffs also.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Thats what I'm looking at too, just having an argument of my own with a certain radio station on facebook about this. They're saying that although we finished 6th we are actually "classed" as finishing 7th. =#FF0000So their theory should be that although Wigan finished 1st, because they lost last night they are actually classed as finishing 2nd?? How can we officially finish 6th but we have to ignore that and we really finished 7th? Confused? cos I am.
I take it as two seperate competitions too, thats what it says on the Super League Website. We have the Engage Super League Competition with the winners (Wigan this year) winning the League Leaders Shield and then we have the Play Offs (based on where you finished in the Super League Competition) for the Grand Final Competition with the winners being declared Super League Champions.
How come no other team have mentioned this in previous years?'"
No, because Wigan are still in the competition.
The theory goes that the two teams who have lost in week 1 of the play-offs (us & crusaders) are classed as finishing 7th/8th with the team with the better record during the regular season being classed higher. In other words we are 7th and Crusaders are 8th.
The two teams who lose next week will be classified as finishing 5th & 6th. Again the team with the better record in the regular season will be classed as the higher of those two. So if Wigan were to lose on Friday (heaven forbid) then they will offically be 5th with the losers of the Warrington/Huddersfield game being 6th.
Losers in week 3 of the play-offs are classed as 3rd/4th and the grand finalists being 1st/2nd obviously.
The thing is, no-one seems able to find any official confirmation/denial about this. Mrs Berrigan has sent an e-mail to the RFL, but what's the betting that they haven't a clue either. The one thing we do know is that the Champions are the team who wins at OT on the 2nd October and it's not Wigan (as league leaders). Only the RL could create confusion like this.
Also, to be fair, a few of us used this theory twelve months ago. Primarily as a pop at our dear friends in order to drop them out of last years top four and down to sixth. So what goes around comes around I guess.
God, it's going to be a long close season if all we have to talk about is whether we've finished 6th or 7th in 2010 .
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| SIXTH, SIXTH, SIXTH!
Bookies payed me out for finishing above Rovers.
That's good enough for me.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"
I take it as two seperate competitions too, thats what it says on the Super League Website. We have the Engage Super League Competition with the winners (Wigan this year) winning the League Leaders Shield and then we have the Play Offs (based on where you finished in the Super League Competition) for the Grand Final Competition with the winners being declared Super League Champions.
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I don't think it is a separate competition. The play-offs are a part of the SL season and not merely an addendum to the main body. Unlike the old style Premiership (1974-97) which were a completely separate Cup with no bearing on the league placing. Because it's a part of the SL season, I think this is were this rather convoluted system/idea/theory has emerged from.
There certainly is no "Grand Final" competition as such. The official name (I think) is the SL play-offs. But it's how these play-offs relate to the actual standings that is confusing. Kosh seems to think this is true, but no-one seems to really know.
I don't think we're going to find a league table showing this as it would simply look daft. You would have rovers above us but on 3pts less. Also, if Wigan were to lose next week, they would be fifth with about 12pts more than the team directly above them. How daft would that appear.
At least this is passing a rather grey/rainy afternoon .
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| Bloody hell all this regarding whether or not we finished 6th/7th!! we won nowt (again).
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"www.superleague.co.uk/page.php?id=346
This may suggest othewise? Or it does the way I read it
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I'm not sure , it just seems very ambiguous.
According to that, it's called "The Play-off Series", but it doesn't say one way or the other if it is linked to or is separate to the rest of the season. It makes the regular season sound like nothing more than a qualifying competition for the play-offs or is that just the way I'm reading it .
All it really says is that the winners of the play-offs are "declared the engage SL Champions", but we all knew that anyway.
I'm sure if we had somehow gone on a run to the Grand Final, we would all be claiming a top two finish , but instead we'll just ignore this and claim sixth (and above you know who). I think it probably depends whether or not it benefits your team as to whether or not you subscribe to this theory. Which is probably why that certain well known r&w supporting radio station are so keen to propagate this idea .
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| Quote ="Kosh"This first came up years ago when we lost a playoff game to Wakey. At that time I had the same opinion you have. However, a few Wakey fans emailed the RFL and got emails back indicating that the final positions were AFTER the playoffs and even stating the system used to decide them. Fans of other clubs have made similar enquiries and always got the same response.
I know for a fact that prize money depends on position AFTER the playoffs also.'"
Will be interesting to see if I even receive an e-mail form them like BP1 suggests it will probably be in April, wrote to James Rule as well, I bet he says we finished 6th though
Like WZebra I won a few bets at work and have been paid out so not really bothered really, suppose the whole thing stops up thinking about Saturday
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| Hull Finished 6th
Rovers 7th
Just like last year we finished 4th
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Hull Finished 6th
Rovers 7th
Just like last year we finished 4th'"
At last, a sensible Rovers fan who isn't using this "urban myth" to gloat
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| Quote ="Kosh"The CC is a separate competition with it's own rules and open to clubs outside of SL.
The league table shows the rankings at the end of the league rounds. The way SL is structured now the league rounds are basically a qualifying competition for the playoffs. We finished 6th in that sub-competition. However, the champions are not selected until after the playoffs and so the season is still 'live' until after the GF and placings for the top 8 clubs are not fixed until the season ends.
You can agree with it or not, but that's the way it's organised. The table is 'frozen' at the end of the league campaign because it would be too confusing to re-jig it after the playoffs - you'd effectively have to have a table that showed two finishing positions for the top 8 clubs.
ATEOTD it's pretty much an irrelevant argument anyway. Who cares where you finish if you don't win something?'"
You do a great disservice to the League Champions Wigan the most consistent team in the League , which is far more important than winning a play off competition. Wigan are the champions and only because of super league do they think that this premiership competition is more important than the challenge cup and truly league champions.
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| Quote ="hullbg"I think it is so some can say we finished above Rovers this season.'"
You did finish above Rovers 6th , you were the most consistent team in Hull SLXV.
Unfortunately in the SL the play offs are the be all and end all hence the dissapointment on all of the b/w's faces at work today.
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| oh well always next year
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| Quote ="cofr_rockin_robin"You did finish above Rovers 6th , you were the most consistent team in Hull SLXV.
Unfortunately in the SL the play offs are the be all and end all hence the dissapointment on all of the b/w's faces at work today.'"
Not in my house. I would have been more disappointed if Saturday had been a knockout CC match tbh.
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| Quote ="Kosh"This first came up years ago when we lost a playoff game to Wakey. At that time I had the same opinion you have. However, a few Wakey fans emailed the RFL and got emails back indicating that the final positions were AFTER the playoffs and even stating the system used to decide them. Fans of other clubs have made similar enquiries and always got the same response.
I know for a fact that prize money depends on position AFTER the playoffs also.'"
Exactly
We finished 7th
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| Who cares, really?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Who cares, really?'"
Exactly. 6th, 7th, disappointing end to the season either way
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Exactly. 6th, 7th, disappointing end to the season either way'"
Precisely.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Exactly. 6th, 7th, disappointing end to the season either way'"
You must have been suicidal after last years 12th position then
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"You must have been suicidal after last years 12th position then
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Not really, fecked off maybe, but it's only a game
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| So if its true that the final table is based on wher you get knocked out the playoffs does that mean that if wigan get beat next week they have to hand back the league leaders shield.
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| Quote ="BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE"So if its true that the final table is based on wher you get knocked out the playoffs does that mean that if wigan get beat next week they have to hand back the league leaders shield.'"
Lifes to short.
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| Effectivly the SL'Championship' now looks like this
1 Saints
2 Leeds
3 Wigan
4 Wire
5 Hudds
6 Dobbins
So this weeks matches are 3v6 and 4 v 5
Then once these games are played, the Championship will be re-adjusted , so in theory Wigan could end up coming 5th .
If Wigan and Wire do win though and then win the semis, then normal league positions will be back to how the league season ended, although if Wire win the final, they come 1st and Pies 2nd
Saints cant finish lower than 3rd and Leeds no lower than 4th
Simples
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Effectivly the SL'Championship' now looks like this
1 Saints
2 Leeds
3 Wigan
4 Wire
5 Hudds
6 Dobbins
So this weeks matches are 3v6 and 4 v 5
Then once these games are played, the Championship will be re-adjusted , so in theory Wigan could end up coming 5th .
If Wigan and Wire do win though and then win the semis, then normal league positions will be back to how the league season ended, although if Wire win the final, they come 1st and Pies 2nd
Saints cant finish lower than 3rd and Leeds no lower than 4th
Simples
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So will they get the League Leaders Shield then? (serious question)
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