I usually believe that coaches should be allowed the full length of there contract to prove themselves, but its so plain to see that as a SL coach Agar is clueless, personally I dont we have thequad to be a top 6 team, he is working with a weak squad I dont think thats even debatable, but the sickening thing is just how predictable we are with the ball, you can almost predict every time who will be taking the ball up and what they are goin to do with it, I got so bored yesterday I started to do this, we have virtually no second phase, no structure in attack other then the one line, you just had to look at the way Saints set up and the options that Long was given at halfback, his runners and even something so simple as Pryce standing a bit deeper, Cas are not the most talented squad in the league score points becuase they use the run around to good effect, we just play one man rugby and dont even do that right.

I hate to say it as im usually really against this type of thing and it dosnt help the team in the short term and I usually cringe when it happens, but maybe the fans need to start putting even more pressure on him and the board, becuase its clear to see after been so rash with a successful coach like Kear the board for some reason have no intention of replacing Agar regardless of how poor the performances are, and even if they did we know who it would be.

Richard Agar clearly does not tell the players to go out there and have no second phase , nor does he tell them to take wrong options or make silly errors

It takes a degree of player initiatve , and motivation to do well for the team and most importantly , quality.

Executed properly, the way we are playing can be highly effective no matter how "boring " it may be, but when we should be playing error free rugby with good kicks and forcing errors , the lads on the feild are sloppy.

It started at the back end of the Kear regime , then during the sharp era and now with Agar , when will people realise that the same problem cannot be down to so called "negative" tactics and realise that the current squad with the players missing that are , isn't good enough to be classed as top 4.

So at risk of becoming more unpopular than he is at the moment, lay off the guy .

Agar is going nowhere.

He is building his team for next year - you better get used to the idea!!!

I take it you don't like the inclusion of Fitzgibbon, Long and Tansey for next year then???

Some good points, but how does any of this explain his utter inability to operate his bench?

One of the most basic skills of any coach, and Agar doesn't have it. At all.

I agree some of the players are just not good enough and must shoulder some of the blame for the position we find ourselves in. But you give the same side a better coach and we would have won half the games we have lost so far this season.

doubt that very much

Shame. The signings we are making will be a waste of time then

Been saying this for a while, Agars gotta go his tactics have been shocking, leaving 2 subs on the bench ( one of them which has been one of our best players this season ) until the last 15 minutes when the game was over isnt a wise decision, and also wot do they do in training as we had 3 sets on the saints line and on everyone of them sets i noticed we did one man drive and then a kick in the ingoal which went dead

I was a fan of the oppointment of Sharp ( The current one ) . I thought our defence would be hell of a lot tougher than it is showing ...ummm
70+ points in 2 games.

To be fair you have played against two thirds of the top three.

TBF Saints played at 30% and Leeds are a shadow of themselves. Both there for the beating if we had a clue!

Agar is still an assistant coach in my opinion. He lacks the tactical awareness that many super league coaches have. This must be something that stems from Australia as people like morgan and nathan brown are very clever coaches especially in comparison to two british coaches, 1 being an out an out assistant at this level and 1 being a failed super league coach. That point aside I have also been informed that agar highlighted sean long as saints weak link in defense for this weekends game.... great way to fill people with confidence with his signing capabilities!

On friday night Saints had a youngster playing on the wing Johny lomax i think his name was, playing only a handful of games for them very inexperienced yet at no stage on Friday night did we try to get at this kid and test him out in fact i know it was never even mentioned by our coaches to the players

Fooking clueless, maybe they was too busy concentrating on the interchanges oh hang on maybe not

30% you donought





If we played at 30% then Hull are under 1% FFS. If we played you 10 times you'd be lucky to win 1 (ala 2005)

When we want the opinion of a nazi we will ask for it

Or even a loyal supporter that follows his team home and away to every ground

Top coaches (particularly ozzie ones) look at the opposition in minute detail looking for any weaknesses to expolit. I'm convinced agar doesn't do any of it as there is never any evidnce on game days that he has

If you had a brain I think you'd realise he meant saints were playing at around 30% of their potential. It was a complement you fukwit

he doesn't as i said in aearlier thread he didn't instruct the team or players on friday night to target young saints winger johny Lomax clueless

Lomax is a fullback normally and as such comfortable dealing with kicks, so why would you think targeting him would have brought any results? Dont assume cos we didnt kick to him more often that the coaching staff dont assess opposition weakness in detail.

Because he is the least experienced player playing on a bigger stage than normal,simple really

So does that mean he would all of a sudden lose the ability to catch!

Possibly! Due to no pressure being applied, we never found out!!

What do you mean, WE. St Helen's success on the field has nothing to do with you.

Agar is not Head Coach material.

I don't wish to sound cruel, but when he is interviewed he doesn't come across as very bright and in fact sounds not at all confident in himself.

How the players respond to this man being in charge is there for all to see.

The club needs a leader.

Someone with a reputation and pedigree, who the players will listen and learn from.

Someone who can get the best out of the players he has, and identify the players he needs.

This man is not Agar.

Never has been and never will be.

No not all numpty, but surely any coach with any tatical nous would look a youngster to exploit any weakness and put him under pressure from the off to see if he is up to it

simple really