No right of reply, no recourse for comment.

Now, as far as I recall, FCVOICES were not set up for the sole purpose of sorting disabled parking?

HISA is what we need.

The two stickies in question are just announcements of some information, not discussion threads. You want to start a discussion thread? Go right ahead. Or you could contact them directly. They're hardly some shadowy organisation bent on world domination and operating from a secret volcano lair.

You want HISA back? Nothing is stopping you or anyone else from setting it up. There was an attempted reboot a couple of years or so back that failed due to a huge lack of interest among the fanbase at large, but maybe that's changed. Who knows?

and FCVOICES get a voice on RLFANS, why?
do they pay?

or do we just give lazy people a nice easy spot to walk from?

You want us to withhold useful information because it comes from a group you personally don't approve of?



Isn't that a tad egotistical?

Not a group I disagree of, what I dont want is you to play judge and jury, dont lock the threads, let people speak.

FCVOICES are very much a special interest group, not really of "the fans", so be fair aand equal, don't lock the threads, let people get beaten down by opinion, not moderation....?

and I would also add, they are exploited by the club when it suits, and ignored otherwise.

I didn't lock the threads in question. However, I fail to see the problem. The content of those threads are simply listing some information that may be of interest to fans. What's to discuss?

Moreover, nobody is stopping you discussing FCVOICES either in general or the content of those two threads in particular. You can do so right in this thread if you like, or you can start a new one.

In your opinion.

You know, for someone who claims not to disapprove of them you do a really good job of giving the opposite impression.

Disabled parking has never been discussed at a Voices meeting because there is no need as we have the disabled fans group for that which is always attended by John Rose. I suggest you look at the minutes of our meetings as you seem a tad confused. fcvoices.org.uk/index.html

Disabled parking has never been discussed at a Voices meeting because there is no need as we have the disabled fans group for that which is always attended by John Rose. I suggest you look at the minutes of our meetings as you seem a tad confused. fcvoices.org.uk/index.html

You seem to know a lot about nothing.

FCVoices are just a buffer between the club and the fans, they don't do anything you wouldn't be able to sort yourself, but they take away the hassle, fair enough IMO.

the problem is that isn't true, they are a buffer between a specific set of fans and the club, the majority have no voice, and if we dare to proffer it we get banned.

you have more chance of getting a disabled parking space than a fair audience.

FCVOICES are, increasingly, a self serving group, and I apologise to my friends who serve(d) on it for saying that, they are used as almost a "human shield" by the club.

it won't be long before FCV are more interested in welfare reform and DLA than they are the majority of fans.

I'd like to see some proof of that.

Take your time.

What do we fans need over and above what FCVoices can provide?

Let's face it, the last botched attempt at a HISA was just a desperate attempt to organise protests against Agar, mainly.

Lock it

The stuff that is locked is purely for information, its a good way to let people know whats happening its just notices, like the ones about the RL talks and the artlinks project above. If anyone wants to discuss such contentious and life changing issues, feel free to start a thread as Standee has done here!

These organisations have asked Fc Voices to spread the word on these initiatives and posting a notice on here is simply just one of the ways that they have attempted to help. and keep the fans informed.

There is, at present a vacancy. It has been advertised on here but no one came forward. You are very welcome to come on board and share your ideas and thoughts. Then you might have a legitimate cause starting threads. Until you come aboard you can't possibly know what goes on (or not) between Voices and the Club.

Why, because you don't agree?

Validates my point.

IF FCVoices have a corner, let them defend it...surely?

I am, but you seem to be ignoring me.



Lets see.....Hull won this weekend, the pictures of Johnny Whitely are back up, nothing else for you to talk about so you decide its have a go at Voices time again.

Grow up Standee. You know some members of Voices, you have access to the Voices website, (as does everyone else) and you know you are just spoiling for a fight. Get a life.

Not a chance ohim doing that, would rather just moan on here about it, not like standee to moan, totally out of chactacter!

Until he is a member of Voices, I am going to sit back and laugh at his pathetic attempts at divide and conquer.

I think it was a TIC reference to the thread title.

Could we try and keep this from becoming personal please?

And I'm not a fan of the 'you can't express an opinion on something unless you have direct personal experience of it' line of argument. It doesn't lend itself to constructive debate.

The thing I'm shocked about the most is Standee claiming to have friends!

FCVoices sounds like a good idea, a single point of contact between club and fans where issues can be raised and communication issued, never had to use them myself but glad they are there. As usual Standee seems to have a personal axe to grind.