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This stuff is great. He's looking to build the club, not just a first team.

He really must be minted because that will cost serious money.

He’s on the right lines with getting the Council onboard. A facility which would clearly benefit the community as a whole is harder for the Council to duck responsibility for than a stadium.

There is no reason a council as land rich as WMDC can’t gift us the land and other forms of support.

If the he can get the council on board the sky is the limit

The council gave us and the other two clubs 2 million pounds each for the inclusion of a community aspect so why should they give us land for free because to do so will require them to do the same for Fev and Cas.

I presume to lease not be given the freehold?

Hes certainly trying to improve all aspects of the club.

So many clubs nowadays have like a rugby centre, where all the clubs training takes place.

Leeds for example, use a site at Kirkstall, and these places really do tend to be state of the art

I wonder if he has considered some type or partnership with Sandal Rugby Union. They already have loads of land and an half decent set of facilities. Good location near Belle Vue too. I think Wigan have some form of link with Orrell and I also think HUll use a local RU club as their trainng base.

Weren’t Wakefield AFC going to potentially contribute to some improvements in training facilities. Perhaps a joint venture as such with Wakefield AFC would be an option. Also, what about the next phase of the stadium improvements in the south east corner? The gym, locker facilities and shower facilities along with cafe and classrooms? All on the planning portal to be completed after the east stand. I expect this will be starting now? Surely that would give enhanced training facilities for the players too. The plans looked impressive and would certainly when done become an in house training centre as such. I just checked the planning portal and the two floor rolling shack looks impressive as a gym facility. Could even cut out the cafe to make something more practice. See the plans here https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... 986886.pdf And lower ground weights gym here https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... 986885.pdf Hope they start this work shortly so it’s ready in time for the season. I get why Ellis may want a training pitch but we have plans for a training facility in house already passed and with funding ready to go from developer etc.

Weren’t Wakefield AFC going to potentially contribute to some improvements in training facilities. Perhaps a joint venture as such with Wakefield AFC would be an option. Also, what about the next phase of the stadium improvements in the south east corner? The gym, locker facilities and shower facilities along with cafe and classrooms? All on the planning portal to be completed after the east stand. I expect this will be starting now? Surely that would give enhanced training facilities for the players too. The plans looked impressive and would certainly when done become an in house training centre as such. I just checked the planning portal and the two floor rolling shack looks impressive as a gym facility. Could even cut out the cafe to make something more practice. See the plans here https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... 986886.pdf And lower ground weights gym here https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/onlin ... 986885.pdf Hope they start this work shortly so it’s ready in time for the season. I get why Ellis may want a training pitch but we have plans for a training facility in house already passed and with funding ready to go from developer etc.

That is not what Vastman was suggesting because he wanted it to be a gift.

You’re right I wanted it gifted. Perhaps to some sort of multi sport trust, with Trinity as the lead club and along with the council a major shareholder.

The council can justify throwing some land in as part of the nationwide sports initiative. It is still one of the lowest scoring districts in the U.K.

I ha no suggestions as to where it would be but the nearer BV the better.

Stanley Rodillians RUFC have loads of land is very close to the M1.

College grove 5g pitch could be an option??

I don't think he's looking for somewhere to train. We already have that.
He's looking for somewhere where all the teams can train together and use as a hub.
He's looking for somewhere that is ours and closer to Belle Vue. Or that's how I read it

Surely the next phase of works in south east rollin shack would give a 2 floor gym and classroom facility and offer this option? The floor space would accommodate quite a number. And it won’t cost the club as the money is there for it (or it should be there).

There’s literally 2 floors of gym and you could scrap the cafe and increase the training space indoors.

Sandal Ru facilities aren't suitable, they've been tried before, can't use main pitch and the other pitches are basically quagmires in the winter months, having been involved in offering offsite training facilities for the previous regime, I get why they used, then cancelled and then re-instated their arrangement with Sandal RU.
There is plenty of land in the district the council could offer on a peppercorn rent to the club, however to get it suitable for what ME wants will cost a few bob

I got the impression it was a training pitch he was looking for

The old miners welfare facilities at the kibble, sharlston would be ideal. The fields were great in the day, bowls cricket, football rugby and although the pit club no longer exists the land does and it would be ideal for the community.

The Council's contribution will depend on what kind of facility is on offer. A RL centre of excellence for the district would be great, but then you get the 'what about Fev and Cas) argument.

For the Council to offer a good chunk of land and underwrite the construction, it will need a wider scope than that. The Council are allowed to go into partnership with private companies under the Private Finance Initiative, but to do so the project has to offer a significant service to a reasonably large sector of the community in return, and RL alone possibly won't be enough. RL/Football and other field sport combined, especially those offering disabled access most certainly would, and should overcome any political objections.

The key is for Trinity to become the lead organisation, and the one the Council allows to run the facility. I'd guess that for such an ambitious gacility as would be needed to match the criteria, you'd be looking at 10 million, not including the land.

For Wakefield Trinity to become the chief operator I reckon we'd need to stump up a third of the cost. Though I do think some grant aid might be available in this instance.

FWIW I'd expect to see a full sized indoor pitch, at least two hybrid outdoor pitches, all floodlit. Changing rooms, gym, medical facilities, classrooms, and so on. It would need to be very near the city centre, as access via public transport is vital for community facilities.

The other alternative is to simply take control of a small club, preferably RL, and develop their ground to the standard required, keeping them on as tenants on a peppercorn rent. Sound quite mercenary, but it might suit some clubs if done sensitively. Be a lot cheaper, but more limited.

I think the most underused sports facility in Wakefield is the old Police Fields at Sandal. There is probably room for four pitches there and a facility building. Don't know who owns it, or if access may be an issue.

It's certainly fun speculating.

Totally agree, though it's a bit further from town than would be ideal if you wanted Council support.

As a Trinity only facility, ideal.

That isn't too far away from Belle Vue either. The locals would back the idea of expanding it as a sporting facility as they're constantly worried about the land being sold off for housing.

i thought it had been sold and a new sports centre etc was going to built off Shay Lane Walton.
I'm sure this was talked about 3 years or so ago, maybe plans/planning permission fell through.

Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"That isn't too far away from Belle Vue either. The locals would back the idea of expanding it as a sporting facility as they're constantly worried about the land being sold off for housing.'" It's this place.... https://www.yell.com/biz/west-yorkshire ... d-1090151/ We've been to a few functions there over the years and there is plenty of land around there that could potentially be utilised but I'm not sure what the current state of play is regarding the potential housing development that has been mooted for the site for the past 20 years or so ??

Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"That isn't too far away from Belle Vue either. The locals would back the idea of expanding it as a sporting facility as they're constantly worried about the land being sold off for housing.'" It's this place.... https://www.yell.com/biz/west-yorkshire ... d-1090151/ We've been to a few functions there over the years and there is plenty of land around there that could potentially be utilised but I'm not sure what the current state of play is regarding the potential housing development that has been mooted for the site for the past 20 years or so ??

I’ve mentioned before that the old Westgate Common pitches at the back of Snapethorpe school are perfect for a training centre.
There are two pitches, also room to put an indoor facility there, it’s already got floodlights, there’s secure parking, it’s just a few hundred yards from Jn 40 M1, the existing building has changing rooms, function rooms, medical room, gym and upstairs has classrooms etc.
The whole place is surrounded by 10ft steel fencing

I went to school there, left in 1962, played plenty of Rugby on those fields, i believe Westgate Common RL played their games there at one time, difficult to think nothing has been built on some of that land in the past 60 years, but it could be an ideal site for community sports development.