It's a massive ask but potentially we could finish above both Hull teams.

That would be a huge positive.

The only chance we have is if we win both and they lose both, we can't control that last bit but we can go out to win.

We could indeedy, so given the way we have finished the last 2 seasons generally, how do we now progress to say what Salford have done? Apart from the obvious of signing 'better' players, how do we win those extra 5 or 6 games like they have? They have to be the benchmark for us as we are similar clubs in a lot of ways, and they certainly aren't breaking the bank as far as i'm aware. It's also more impressive given they've lost Watson, and virtually the whole team that got to 2 finals just 2 or 3 years ago!!

Hull have Toulouse next, Hull KR have Wigan, but then they play each other last game of the season so one of them is going to win at least one game.
All our points differences are pretty similar though: Wakey -165, Hull -161, Hull KR - 152.

A win and a narrow defeat for us could see us still finish above one of them, if not both.

It’s not all about wall to wall stars for me ( just ask Man Utd ) it’s about cohesion within a team and having the right mix of experience and youthfulness working as a unit pulling together for the common goal .Its certainly not rocket science but it can and does go horrible wrong at times (wires/Hull) spring to mind . Get a good bunch of grafters sprinkled with some serious quality to guide them and cajole them around the field and you won’t go far wrong imo .

Unlikely as it is, they could always draw when they play each other. As it is we've done what we needed to do and I think the players will now switch off.

You forgot the awful Golden Point Klav?

No as they could still draw if they both draw a blank in the extra 10 mins.

Indeed
Leeds & Huddersfield this year
Warrington & Hull last year

They could both lose their next game and then draw with each other but that would still need us to win 2 games to be above both.

If Wigan beat Saints tonight then they mathematically still have a chance of finishing top (although I guess that scenario doesn't bode well for us on Monday). You could see them then going on to put 30 past KR and damage their PD.
Toulouse don't really have anything to play for against Hull other than pride, but we know they can play, and that Hull are pretty dire at present so who knows there.

It's all ifs and buts at the minute. I could see us winning 1 game and finishing above one of them, but I don't see us winning both games.

Saints win tonight and they will get the LLS, so may be tempted to rest a few against us which would put us in with a good shout of a win. Having said that I would prefer to beat a decent Saints side to make up for the Golden Point defeat a few weeks ago.

Jeez I forgot about that, has it ever happened though?

I suppose it wouldn't be bad for a useless, gutless, pathetic, team with no nouse or ability and a coach not up to the job, who certain people wanted sacking and throwing on the scrap heap, resulting in him losing his livelyhood and maybe his career.

We may have a scratch side ourselves, Dave and one or two others may still be partying on Monday. The way they looked like last like night, indicates a mamouth session was looming.

Didn't bother you when you were calling Chester gash every two minutes did it. Forgot about that didn't you. To take the high ground you need to be on it to start with so pack in the faux moralising, you really don't have the credentials. Oh, and I never suggested we sacked him.

Don't expect to hear from you for a while

thanks for your concern but il always be here to put you in your place. You slaughtered the team and slaughtered the coach, Its all there in black and white. Flip flop flip flop. You were wrong again the team do have ability and nouse and they're not gutless and useless, why don't you admit it. Is the coach still not up to the job like you kept saying or have you changed your mind AGAIN. I was correct before your a frit

Give it a rest, it's getting a bit boring now. PM me if you must and let people get on with the thread.

Didn't you start a thread saying Poching can't coach.
I know you didn't say sack him, but that does imply you didn't want him to stay.

Sure did and at the time it needed asking and I’m still not totally on board.

Your right I didn’t say sack him, utterly pointless even if that’ had been what I wanted.

All I did was ask people if they thought WP couldn’t coach at SL, a fair question. Funny thing is that at the time most agreed including some who backtracked quicker than an MP.

However what’s really ridiculous is the idea that any thing I or anyone else says on here could lead to Poching losing his livelihood. If he does it will be totally down to him and his players as it always is.

If Mopsey thinks otherwise then he needs to go around to Chris Chester and apologies to him and his family straight away. The bloke has more faces and identities than a town hall clock and a few on here can back that up.

I’ll make my judgement on WP FWIW after the first ten matches of the new season. He’s got a lot of space to bring in new blood so it should be fun.

You didn't ask. You were adamant as were a lot of others.
I think I've been pretty steady in my views.
I said I like Poching and thought he could turn it around. I'd go as far as to say not many coaches can do what he's done. Plenty have failed.

There is no 10 games for me. He gets a full season.
Nearly all of his signings so far have looked good to me and even Butler is starting to look the part.
I look forward to what he can do in the recruitment this year even though he has the limitations all coaches have at Belle Vue.

To be fair to Mopsey and all the others who were saying it, Chester was rubbish!

He benefited from a perfect storm early on, Brian Smiths recruitment and strict regime set it up nicely for a more lackadaisical Chester to reap the rewards. He also benefited from a number of other clubs having very poor seasons, rebuilding & coaches that didn’t work like Cunningham at Sts. Sts, Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Catalan, Huddersfield all went through a couple of seasons of poor form for one or more reasons, that allowed the likes of us, Cas & Salford to threaten the top 6. Kear then shored up the Chester regime for a season but once he left there was a speedy decline and deterioration.

So unlike Willie Poching who has a very decent winning % stretching back to late last season, Chester had plenty of time to prove to everyone (almost) how utterly awful he was as a coach.

He did sign David Fifita though

"Butler is starting to look the part". What? Because he made three half decent carries last night? Give me strength. Fickle as owt this. Hope he comes good but it's a bit early to be coming out with that.

Tbf not seen much of him, how many games has he played for us, like 4/5. Tbf he was solid against Hull Kr, made a better impact than Aydin who I thought was poor last night. Be interesting and good to see if Butler can recapture the form that got him in the knights team.

So that's why I said 'nearly all the signings' and 'starting to look'
I haven't said he's good.
I am definitely not fickle.

Before the start of any season I think 20 points is a base target return… anything above that starts to move us towards the playoffs…

If we can make 20 points that will be a good finish