Let me truthful and say I have been a Chester out in recent times, but I watched that interview after the Huddersfield game and actually felt sorry for him. We actually have 30 ish full time players many of whom have had a long career in rugby league. Some of whom Chris Chester saw as senior players and thought leaders.

Well what you have to ask yourself are where have these so called leaders been for the past couple of months ? Have they really stopped playing because they don’t like his management style ? Or because they had t take a pay cut ? Well tough that’s the reality of this pandemic for most non public service sector workers.

Yes I don’t agree with some of the signings and team selections - however ultimately it’s not Chester out their missing tackles and giving penalties away. We talk about motivation and coaching but actually we have yet to put a team out that didn’t have 13 full time professionals in the side. Do guys that have provably been playing rugby for twenty years or more to be told how to tackle, operate a sliding defence ? Really ?

Tbh most people in that team shouldn’t need coaching in defence once they know the position they are playing.

I actually think shame on you !

Both the fans the club and the management team deserve a damn sight more than this

So true what you have said in your post

Agree on parts but at the same time, I think people should stop judging as individuals and more as a collective. Me and Vastman included.

What a absolute load of rubbish, feel sorry for him I've heard it all. He picks his backroom staff, he puts the team on the field, he picks the team and he is responsible for these performances. He signed these players who he accuses of jumping out of the way. HES THE BOSS.

ultimately Chester takes the can but i agree hes not receiving any kind of back up from the players.
if you look at the squad they have been collectively poor.
the problems also that changes to positions does not help and some of the signings totally unnecessary and they are all of Chesters actions.
Its about time that all the players took responsibility and i mean ALL
Players may well feel they should be playing in different positions but they need to buckle under and get a performance to build on

Nah Mopsey your wrong on this, there are players out there hiding and that is not Chesters fault that is totally down to them. Sorry but you can’t absolve players of any responsibility that’s just not on. It’s a team game and the whole team has to play, that’s coaches and players and some players are not doing anything like their share.

CC may or may not be the best coach Ed could have but he doesn’t deserve to be betrayed by players, many of whom he threw a lifeline to,

I bet when they were sat there negotiating they weren’t offering the performances they are now offering. They are simply not honouring their contracts and the deceit cannot be blamed on the coach, no way. Certain players are clearly not following his game plans. It doesn’t matter how good are bad certain players think they are the truth is they would work far better if they actually did there job.

There are players out there hiding and that is not Chesters fault? Who`s fault is it then as there are a number of them and it is Chesters team? Who`s job is it to motivate the players and make sure they are ready for the game?

I get that you have to put responsibility on the individual players for there own performances but when it is half the team questions need to be asked.

Even before the recent slum we looked absolutely clueless in attack, whatever side we put out, even 10m out we have no idea. Defensive structure is lacking, that is quite obvious, every team has weak links - The difference is the coaching staff recognise these weaknesses and compensate for them, you watch next time a forward tries to isolate Theo Fages or Jonny Lomax and see what happens 9 times out of 10.

I disagree here. Only one player isn't resposinble for the failure of the rest, especially when they also have issues. It seems to me you've found a victim to blame...

funny how players hiding and not trying,as started since the players brought in at close season arrived.Any chance there attitude as had a bad effect on players already at the club.The team spirit seemed there the last 5 games of last season .Remember they are the players mr Chester wanted to join the club

Whilst u respect your point of view vasty the week before against hull your comments were on the line of an improved performance with the effort there. Also judging by everyone's views on the stats the effort was there. Ultimately coaching can be a lonely place but you are responsible for putting the team out there. To me the team is a totally disorganized shambles from minute one, i dont believe they are chucking the towel in, we look demoralised as soon as our opponents score.

I can remember we had many fans who didn't like Kears style of play and wanted him gone, fans also wanted Webster gone same fans wanted Agar gone and now it's Chester's turn . Could it be it's not always the coach who is at fault take a look at the wonderful Tony Smith's team last week their defence was worse than ours. Many of us who have played the game know that ultimately on the pitch it's the players who call the shots and miss the tackles and don't stick to the game plan or adopt a different plan when things go wrong injuries etc. So as the thread says players need to take a look at themselves and not expect the coach to take the blame for everything.

It’s there fault, I’d have thought that was fecking obvious.

Tell me another job where someone can refuse to do their job and the person above gets sacked? You can’t because for some reason you’re choosing to defy the laws of fair play.

These are not children these are grown men so why are you pandering to them. It’s not Chesters job to make the act like responsible human beings that is up to them. Get a grip this isn’t the school playground.

erm, I manage a team - When my team are not performing, it is me who has to answer those questions from my senior management team and ultimately take responsibility for the teams performance, so Public Sector procurement for one.

I think what you have to look at here Vasty is I cant point out one player that is performing any worse than 7 others,

Let me take you back to Cunningham's Saints side, a team that looked shot, unmotivated and lazy - Amateur at times, just look at the difference of Holbrook coming in mid season with the exact same team - Ultimately who was at fault there? Because here we see the exact same situation.

Sorry but he has to go !

Agree,I'm in same boat in a sales orientated business.The Sales Director takes the pain if his team (coached and managed by him) doesn't produce the goods.The odd sales person may feel the heat and leave,but if the whole team are not performing it will be the Sales Directors job on the line.

Literally every management job ever!

If a single person in a team isn't performing, then it's up to their manager to resolve that, if they can't, their manager is ultimately responsible for what happens to them.

If a whole team isn't performing, then the manager is held responsible, and it moves up to the next level in the CoC who become responsible for the under performing manager

Said elsewhere I feel for Chester, he's a supporter at heart and the current situation will be hurting him. However ultimately in pro-sport the coach will always pay the price if his charges underperform. That's how it is. It does seem he's staying however, assistant coach appointed for 2021 and Chester talking budgets in the media today.

Some of the players want to pull their fingers out as there's some shades of McShane 2015 about some of them at the moment. Once they are out on the field they 100% are responsible for their own effort and work rate. Can forgive errors but not idleness.

Wise old Vasty has got something wrong and covering up your foul language doesn't help prove a point when you're wrong.

Pop pop old boy

TBF Webster 100% needed sacking after his aiming for the middle eight’s comments....:

Public sector procurement - wow the worlds worst byers - every private company that gets a public sector contract rubs there hands as soon as the deals signed just look t the track record

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I don't get some of the signings, I dislike players in and out of different positions, I don't like our shocking defence and clueless attack, but I'm a realist as well and not all this is the Coach's fault.
I admit that ultimately the buck stops with him, but if the players don't want to play to their full potential there's no coach in the world can make them.
I cannot see Chris Chester being sacked, so the players not doing it, need to show some honesty to their employers and the supporters and get behind the coach.

spot on!

What we ALL have to remember is, the old adage, " you can lead a horse to water, What you cannot do is force it to drink" so the players have to want to play correctly & deliver once they cross the white lines on the field.
What the he'll would happen if all the professionals in their specific job & skills in what ever job they did offer the same as our professionals do, the country would self destruct !! big time ! They simply could not turn around & blame mentors or people
In charge !
No coach or person in the world trains people to behave as they are doing no matter how you perceive the coach is in his abilities !!
However, why has there been no crisis meeting & talks with all the players, staff & owners. ????
Problems have to be bottomed & resolves made in order to change things, other wise things get worse !!

I think there is definitely some truth in the OP

Dave is back on Friday plus tiny miller and maybe Tommy so let’s hope Dave can really get the lads going

We just need a win to get some confidence