I am sorry but they do not deserve to be admitted back to Super League for next season. They pulled out at the last minute leaving the game very little time before the season resumed. They failed to pay their players and apparently refund the season tickets. They have basically brought the game into disrepute and given those in the press who consider there is only one form of rugby (kick and clap) far too much ammunition.
We have been through one of these but managed to complete our fixtures and survive even though some clubs wanted us out. We have been around a long time fortunately but what is to say Toronto will not be in the same position next season and how many are going to want to invest in season tickets leaving the club with little revenue and currently no Ken Davey to fill the gap.

I disagree. They were affected differently to other UK trans who could furlough.
If they sort their issues they have the right to play to me.

I agree

IF they are to come back into SL, which looks increasingly likely, there has to be a hefty points deduction but, I guess we have to see what happens.
Certainly to come back in "as though nothing happened" would be massively wrong and could set a dangerous precedent for any clubs' future failings.
Also with massive uncertainty about international travel, clubs travelling back and forth across the Atlantic seems risky as hell. Thingas are bad enough now, with players from just about every club testing positive for covid.

How do you reconcile this with their agreement to see the season through and then a full 180 degree change of mind within a week, when they suddenly decided that their "Aussie" players visas would expire. Plus, non payment of wages (which was happening pre covid)

I agree they need to sort their issues out but Covid has affected them and that should be taken in to consideration.
I agree they have to be able to pay their team and that should be agreed beforehand.

So COVID kicked in a lot earlier in Canada than uk. Their messes have been documented and went on well before we heard of COVID.

There shouldn’t be an American side in an English league full stop. The whole thing is bananas.

Why not? We have a French one.
It's all about the income it brings.

go on then tell us what income comes to belle vue that makes up for the outgoings to get over there

The only thing incoming it brings at the moment is embarrassment on the game. Will be interesting to see which players decide to take up contracts again and which will take a chance on signing. Once bitten twice shy is putting it mildly.

It's been a total farce.
If - and its a big "if" they allowed back in, strong criteria inc points deductions - need to be put in place to prevent them doing the same again.

If Toronto aren't allowed back into super league then presumably one from the championship will take their place, on that basis what criteria do you use to select a club, bearing in mind there was nothing in place at the time of this pandemic, one thing is for sure if there are half a dozen or so clubs with aspirations of getting promoted into super league, you can guarantee they will all be up in arms if it isn't them.

Come on PT that is a silly argument and you know it. NRL have a NZL based team because it is absolutely plausible, exactly the same with a French based team playing in SL, Toronto are not - Just look at the issues they have had with Visas, Players been denied entry, cost of living not fitting in with the salary cap etc, no matter where the blame lies for those issues they are still issues and they have been showing from day 1...

What income do they bring outside of a artificial investment pumped in from some big money backer? Is this obtainable if said investors decide that they want to move on to there next venture leaving an organisation full of people not getting paid? Hmmm heard that story somewhere before. I keep hearing about all of the income they have generated for Rugby League in this country, where is it?

I hear people talking about all of the headlines they grab for rugby league, I don`t see the same people even mentioning Ben Ikin having a right good laugh at us with the SBW saga.

you see this is the frustration when someone comes out with a statement and clearly you can't back it up

If Toronto get a SL place next season I think it sets a precident for the future. Covid will still be around at the start of next season what happens to Toronto then?

That is the problem the investor who was funding Toronto is no longer able to do so hence the problems with the wages. I believe that Toronto agreed to front the costs for teams travelling to Canada but fortunately that was never put to the test.

The problem with the Toronto question is the lack of Championship rugby. If there was a season happening, winner gets in makes it easy. Without championship rugby, you have the impossible question of who gets in instead of Toronto.

My suspicion is that Super League will see 2021 as a simple reboot of 2020, which to some extent it is. The season came to an end with the lockdown and all that is happening now is a series of exhibition games in order to get the Sky money. A "start again" decision is the easiest one to make, which means Toronto..

The issue will be whether Toronto can put a side together. The stars have left. They may be able to put together a half-decent championship side, but can they put together a top-flight side? I doubt it. On the other hand, with players doing nothing for a long time, and with probably no income from rugby, can Featherstone, Leigh, Widnes, or anyone else who fancies a chance?

From a "protecting the sport" perspective though, it should be a heartland team. They need punters through the turnstiles more than ever, and a Toronto or London will not achieve that.

still waiting poptart on where you think they bring income in, you tend to be quick to respond but on this occasion you've totally ignored my question

I'll be glad when the novelty of this overseas venture has worn off and we get to some normality

I think it's like when Catalans come over to play. Their fans can't afford to come to all games, pick the games they'll travel to. We get nothing from them on match day.

Also having an empty away stand doesn’t make for a good match day atmosphere.

Agree.
I'd much rather see Featherstone, Halifax, Leigh or the Bulls in SL

The whole concept of Super League including North American sides was a bonkers idea in the first place. The complete thing was obviously rushed through with out contemplating all aspects involved.
I would be pleased to see Toronto expelled from SL totally, and good riddance!
As for a successor we should look no further than Fev by virtue of the fact that they were runners up in the promotion play off. as to whether the authorities would allow a third side from the WMDC area is another matter.

Ah ok. Completely missed this.

They don't bring income to Belle Vue but equally they don't take money out of Super League of which we take a bigger share.
Clearly it went wrong in the end but they had independent funding.
The idea being that it helps build interest over there so they can build others.

I'd far rather see Bradford back in the league but until they can fund themselves it's no real advantage to anyone either.

I'm not an expansionist at all costs like some but if the numbers stack up I'm ok with a strange location. Will it work long term? Who knows. Probably not. But if it did, rugby league would have great benefit from a Canadian or US market.

As ever I agree with PT

A competitive wolf pack can only be a positive thing for the game as a whole

Give over you didn't miss this at all you never do you was hoping for it to drift away, anyway thank you for your correction as to they don't fetch anything to belle vue they are a gimmick that has now going to put off others investing into game.

Nothing positive has come from their inclusion