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| Anybody know if any pubs or clubs in Wakefield are opening early doors on Saturday for the big match?
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| Crigg All Blacks are opening up for it with a full breakfast available at £5
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| i am going to the game! I think England with the Wayne Bennett factor may make it closer than people seem over here.
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| Quote ="BOJ042"i am going to the game! I think England with the Wayne Bennett factor may make it closer than people seem over here.'"
I think the loss of Hodgson will help England too.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I think the loss of Hodgson will help England too.'"
Agree, but then Bennett brought in Heighington, swings and roundabouts.
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| And then we have to get over the inclusion of Bateman in the centre. After completely playing Bateman off the park in the last game of the season, Joe Arundel must wonder why he isn't lining up. In fact every centre in the game must be wondering the same thing.
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| But Bateman plays for Wigan, FSW. Doesn't that make him an automatic choice??
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| Quote ="BOJ042"i am going to the game! I think England with the Wayne Bennett factor may make it closer than people seem over here.'"
Me too, currently sat in a very rainy advancetown would be good to meet up for a pint and chew the cud over all things RL and Wakefield trinity
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| Come on England.
Can't wait!
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| Errors and penalties were the difference between the two teams, bateman shouldn't be in the centres and brown was very quiet
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| The worst halfback pairing in an England shirt let England down there.
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| Excellent effort from England but the selection policy was defend at the expense of the attack. The selection of Bateman at centre was indicative of this. A very negative selection. How much more effective would England have been in attack with Jamie Shaul at FB Percival in the centre and Widdop at 6. By the way was Brown playing??
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| It's easy to say Percival should have played but WB wanted a good defence and no mistakes. The sad thing is he didn't feel Percival or anyone else offered that.
Same with Brown. He didn't have the ball in the right places to do his work. We should have had better options but Williams wasn't up to it so we are left with Brown.
The players that played did their best. Widdop was brilliant at full back. He made mistakes at 6 too.
So close. I thought Burgess had a better game at 13 so it's arguable whether SOL missing made a difference but our attack is better when he is on.
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| Tom Burgess didn't play as good
I'm no lover of anything Castleford however I think Shenton should have been in the squad
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| Quote ="djcool"Tom Burgess didn't play as good
[uI'm no lover of anything Castleford however I think Shenton should have been in the squad[/u'"
Said he should have been picked before we went. Ateotd if Bennet thinks Percival is undersized at this level and not a great tackler. I think that's where Shenton would have proved the difference, he's a decent sized , good defense and can put his winger away.
Anyway, result apart that was an immense effort from the boys especially the forwards and in defense. But we just failed to convert pressure into points and a few too many silly errors.
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| Quote ="PopTart"It's easy to say Percival should have played but WB wanted a good defence and no mistakes. The sad thing is he didn't feel Percival or anyone else offered that.
Same with Brown. He didn't have the ball in the right places to do his work. We should have had better options but Williams wasn't up to it so we are left with Brown.
The players that played did their best. Widdop was brilliant at full back. He made mistakes at 6 too.
So close.[u I thought Burgess had a better game at 13 so it's arguable whether SOL missing made a difference but our attack is better when he is on[/u.'"
I think Sam would have got up and played his best game wherever he played tbh. People have picked him out as not being near his best this WC but fail to mention he was injured minutes into the first game, so it was always going to be a gradual return to form I thought. Like you say, SOL could have potentially created a bit more with his ball-handling skills for the side.
Makes you wonder what a Bennet coached side with Powell as his assistant could have done instead of Betts.
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| That's a fair comment about Sam B.
Agent in also a good call. Plays left and I think would have done well on that side.
Problem is that was probably his last chance. They need to be grooming a younger one for NZ
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| Quote ="Willzay"The worst halfback pairing in an England shirt let England down there.'"
I don't think Brown added anything to the attack at all and that was surely his last game in an England shirt.
I thought Gale's kicking game was generally good and he didn't let anybody down.
Bateman at centre didn't work for me. Not once did I seem him make a break and if he had done he is not fast enough. I'm faster then him.
Good effort though.
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| Awesome game of rugby league that! Whatever the selection opinions people have made the fact is we would have beat the Aussies without the error count. Not one player left that pitch without giving his all and Cameron Smith summed it up at the end when he said that was probably the hardest game he's ever played in.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"I don't think Brown added anything to the attack at all and that was surely his last game in an England shirt.
I thought Gale's kicking game was generally good and he didn't let anybody down.
Bateman at centre didn't work for me. Not once did I seem him make a break and if he had done he is not fast enough. I'm faster then him.
Good effort though.'"
Agree with this.
Gale improved as the tournament went on and seemed finally to get over playing for the National side, especially his kicking game which had been bang average before the final.
Our left side attack was slow and predictable and Bateman, although he went ok, is just not a centre and Ryan Hall must be hacked off at having to play outside him.
McGillvery was superb and Widdop, although spilling one easy ball, was pure class at FB.
Tom Burgess, although a beast of a prop, spills his load too often or, give away cheap penalties.
Overall though, what an effort.
Everything left on the pitch and the Aussies were rocking at the end, they were knackered but, just managed to hang on.
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| Never really been a big fan of international rugby league, particularly in the McNamara years, but WC2017 has really caught my imagination. i'll never forget the Samoa vTonga, Tonga v England and final games. I was also impressed with Finn and the Ireland performance, but there must be something wrong with a system that allows a side to advance without winning a game, but denies a side that wins two. I'm looking forawrd to the next WC already. McGilvray and Widdop were the best backs for me and I was greatly impressed with Grahame in the forwards.
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| Sorry but Gale was a let down for me. His kicking from deep was very good but short kicking game was awful, putting that daft grubber in on tackle 2 with 2 mins left was unforgiveable and didn't really create much ball in hand.
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| You couldn't knock Widdop, who was outstanding throughout, but the man of the tournament for England for me was Elliot Whitehead.
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| gale was a let down for Castleford as well in the final series - especially in grand final was no where to be seen - and on Saturday night all England needed was a a little bit of quality in the halfs and they would of won- we were there for the taking-
his big game qualities are now under question. PS why did he kick on the 3rd tackle with a couple of mins to go with England on the attack - that was the game there and then,
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