All this talk of Wiggy and Stevo etc and Perhaps this may be for the more Long in the tooth Trinity fan, but who would you say has been the best RL commentator/ pundit on radio or tv over the last 50 years?

Further to my original post, I would say that in my opinion, Keith Macklin would be a contender.

Ray Warren

Ray Warren simply the best

Darrell Eastlake

Andrew Voss for me!

Oz Andrew Warren ...Here Macklin a good call like Barry Mac and Terry Crook and when on radio Crabtree don't do bad...Cant stand Cullen for gods sake turn the sound off when hes on TV he could talk the proverbial glass eye to sleep.

Barry Stokes and Stephen Locking

Dave Wandless and Ian Brooke were very good when they did it for the club.

All Time best is Darryl Eastlake IMO

Best out there at the moment is
England : Woods
Australia : Voss
NZ: dunno maybe Freeman

Terry Crook on radio (he has a bit of Trin bias as well, which is an excellent trait

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Voss in the RLWC was a breath of fresh air and Ray French a few years back was excellent.

Jonathan Davies.

Has an Indepth knowledge of Rugby League and is not annoying in any way shape or form.

Voss I agree, French OMG!
Terry is a great bloke and good on radio but it's a big leap to presenting prime time tv.

Love it!

I absolutely love Ray Warren, and I also really like the more relaxed approach that some/most Aussie commentators bring. I also really like their use of recent players, Lockyer, Brett Kimmorley, Joey Johns etc....

On Sky, I think I go by the same principles, I like Brian Carney and Jon Wells, and I actually enjoy the daft interplay between Barrie Mac and Terry O'Connor

For me all Ray French ever did was made me cringe. I could always see bias amongst his mumblings and he was prone to a lot of errors in his commentatory. I was glad to see him retire but still cringe now when he does those half time segments talking of the history of the Challenge Cup.

Not sure who I could say has stood out as the best for me in the UK. I'm quite content listening to Barrie Mac, Jon Wells and Brian Carney.

Are you serious ?

As a player he was superb (both codes) and I agree about his knowledge of the game but, as a commentator he just uses the word "simple" to explain every move or score.

I've nothing against the Welsh but, his accent just grates.

If he's commentating, I turn the volume off.

If him and Stevo are the only 2 options, I would stick with Stevo, (still on mute though)

Irony, or comedy genius?!

I fell for Vossy during the WC, but if you listen to him every week in the NRL, he's prone to the same over-analysis of refereeing decisions that obsesses Eddie - it puts a negative slant on things and is unnecessary in my view. Unlike Eddie however, he's a naturally funny and likeable bloke, so he grates less.

Ray Warren is great - partly because of his history with, and knowledge of, the game; he has yet to become a cliché machine like Stevo and appears to still be in possession of all his faculties, which is a big bonus.

Over here, Brian Carney is the best we have by a country mile - he should replace Eddie, with Jon Wells taking over from Stevo. The co-commentary roles could be filled by some players with recent experience - and I'd like to see that freshened up; the usual suspects are becoming dull. And on that note - maybe it's time to ditch the robots and refresh the programme presentation?

I was being sarcastic. The man only shows his face for the dollar. Learning or even reading the players names off a piece of paper might help him along the way.

it's hard to spot dead pan humour in the written word

Spot on, I have the same problem with Miss Scarlet

Eddie Waring for me. ( tongue firmly in cheek) Came up with absolute gems but the most poignant moment for me was after Don Fox missed THE conversion at Wembley against Leeds
Seriously I like Andy Kelly on the radio but it's Carney and Wells for me on sky

My favourite gaff of Eddie Waring's was during a match from Headingly one windy Saturday afternoon. It went something like this: "Oh Dear! He's dropped the ball. (pause) Oh no, he hasn't. It's a white carrier bag!" Good old Eddie.
I also agree that Ray French was cringe worthy and seemed to concentrate on previous clubs that players had played for.

BBC win hands down in the Uk. Give me Dave Woods, Brian Noble, Jon Wilkin & Jamie Peacock any day over the Sky numptys. Also Mark Chapman is an excellent host, knowledgeable & professional.

James Deighton for me whenever i;ve heard him on radio leeds always makes the game sound like it a real cracker of a game,Of the older ones Eddie warring & Dave woods

We like Andy as well.