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| That Tim Smith will either get on the bus to Hull Nick or a taxi to the airport.
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| Fined and sent back to Belle Vue with his tale between his legs, where he then gets down on both knees and pleads for the chance to make it up to us all on Saturday would do for me. He owes us.
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| BS has already said he isn't playing
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| Quote ="PopTart"BS has already said he isn't playing'"
In the press conference? I haven't listened to it.
Probably have taken a risk on him to be honest as Godinet is just not doing it at the moment and I rate him highly. I realise I'm clutching at straws but maybe BS is pulling the wool over Bradford's eyes.
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| Quote ="Mr Bliss"That Tim Smith will either get on the bus to Hull Nick or a taxi to the airport.'"
He will NOT be going to prison !!!
As I've posted on other threads...worst case scenario will be a driving ban and a hefty fine, if he pleads guilty that is. If he pleads not guilty, then it will be adjourned for a trial in several months time. Either way he will be walking out of court today (unless he pleads not guilty and tells the magistrates that he is intending legging it back to Aus, in which case he is likely to get remanded in custody to either Hull, Doncaster or Armley nick's.. )
Therefore, he will be available to play on Saturday, and in my opinion we will be stuffed without him, as he is the only one capable of leading us around the park, but as BS and MC have already allegedly said that he will not be playing, then it looks like the writing is already on the wall !!!
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| No alleging about it FIL. Radio Leeds interviewed Brian Smith on Sunday and he clearly said on air that Tim Smith will not be playing. FACT.
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| Quote ="wildshot"No alleging about it FIL. Radio Leeds interviewed Brian Smith on Sunday and he clearly said on air that Tim Smith will not be playing. FACT.'"
Yes but there is nothing to stop him changing his mind (not saying he will), for instance if Godinet is not 100% fit which he looks like he isn't and breaks down in training would he change his mind - I think he would have to.
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| We NEED Tim Smith on the park....Miller at 6 and Godinet interchanging with Sio at 9.
Timmy owes us big time for his indiscretion...so give him chance to make amends
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| I don't know the details of the incident but all he seems to have done is commit a serious road traffic offence. It happened in his own time far away from Wakefield. These things go on every day in the 'normal' world and never result in sacking or even discipline.
Unless his job depends on him having a clean driving licence I can't see how the club can dismiss him.
Paul Aiton smashed a car up outside Wakey Pride and got done for D Driving but the club did not sack him.
For what its worth I am hoping its just mind games and he will play.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"I don't know the details of the incident but all he seems to have done is commit a serious road traffic offence. It happened in his own time far away from Wakefield. These things go on every day in the 'normal' world and never result in sacking or even discipline.
Unless his job depends on him having a clean driving licence I can't see how the club can dismiss him.
Paul Aiton smashed a car up outside Wakey Pride and got done for D Driving but the club did not sack him.
For what its worth I am hoping its just mind games and he will play.'"
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| Quote ="jack in the box"I don't know the details of the incident but all he seems to have done is commit a serious road traffic offence.
In the coach's car though wasn't it?
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"
Was it or was it technically a club car supplied to the coach. I would bet its the latter, Chris B has a car leasing company and
supplies plenty of the vehicles.
Like I said I do not know the full details but if he had taken the car illegaly, he would have also been charged with TWOC and no insurance.
As far as I am aware he hasn't been but I will stand to be corrected.
The list of RL players done for Drink Driving is massive and many of them were driving club supplied cars at the time. I don't ever remember anyone being treated as harsh as this. As far as I remember even the great Dave Toplis got done for it.
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| I'm not sure where the idea comes from you can get D&D conviction and keep your job, if is was my place you'd be straight out on your ear.
Sportsmen don't live in the real world however, usually they'll get a bollocking or fined internally and they are back in the team.
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| No dismissals at my place of work for driving offences. Many people lose their job because of subsequent commuting problems if they're banned. I'd certainly struggle to do my 50 mile round trip on a push bike.
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| I've already posted the facts about drink/driving offences and the options open to the employer; if the club wanted to, I'm almost certain that they could dismiss and that it would be safe to do so.
Personally, whilst what he's done is incredibly stupid and irresponsible, I'm not sure that the moral stance is worth a million quid; if I could play him on Saturday, I would.
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| From a Rugby point of view it is total madness not to play Tim Smith, he is the only player we have with any creative spark. If for a change the rest of the playing staff decide to put in 100 % on Saturday all they have the ability to do is bash it up ( that`s if they manage to catch the ball ) and that will not be enough to break down the Bradford defense.
My opinion is for Gods sake play Tim Smith
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| Agree Tim should play but he won't because i believe both MC and BS think he should be punished as he has brought the club in to disrepute. However the moral stance although admirable could result in us losing our superleague status., We could not break through the Sheffield deence without him so fat chance of breaking down Bradford
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| Can't see why some of our fans think Tim Smith should play. He has been woeful all season and has had numerous chances to show his worth but didn't. What makes anyone think he will suddenly turn it on on Saturday. He would be better out of the club and preferably out of the country!
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| Quote ="stevie"Can't see why some of our fans think Tim Smith should play. He has been woeful all season and has had numerous chances to show his worth but didn't. What makes anyone think he will suddenly turn it on on Saturday. He would be better out of the club and preferably out of the country!'"
Go watch the recording of The last Bradford game and you will see why you are wrong
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| That's ONE game. How many has he played?
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| It just goes to show how crap our seasons been when we think about playing smith. hes been bloody awful all season.
however I think we live in hope that for the last game of the season he can unlock something special . It would be great if he could depart Trinity on a high and pay back the fans for a bloody sxxt season, but im not sure he can provide that.
With the departure of Locke it could be open for Smith to be selected and play.
The club must know his mental state and providing he can pull through and the club share that opinion he just might play
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| Quote ="stevie"That's ONE game. How many has he played?'"
He's been poor overall, but the point remains he hasn't been woeful all season. He destroyed Bradford that day and we have no one else who we can replace him with for Saturday. I'm happy to get rid afterwards but it's a massive gamble to leave him out on moral grounds in my opinion
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| Stevie I cannot remember a single bit of creative play, that has resulted in a try, coming from any other player. Tim Smith is the only player in the squad with any guile, skill and creativity. To not select him is Rugby madness, but as long as we have made a moral standpoint I don`t suppose it matters that we are relegated.
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| To me it's not a morale issue. It's whether he is fit to play, both physically and mentally.
If he's all over the place because of the legal procedings then he is no good to us.
Personally, I'd just offer him a £2,000 bonus to win the game.
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| Great idea Pop Tart, I would also prepared to act as his chauffeur for next two years
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