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| Says it all. The whole lot are an embarrassment. Leeds are in second gear and walking it!!
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| No personal pride and no spine. As soon as the going gets tough, this lot just get going. They are the most pathetic bunch of professionals I've had the displeasure of seeing in the wakey shirt.
We'd conceded one try after twenty minutes. We've conceded thirteen after 63 minutes.
Hearts the size of a pea.
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| Thankfully I chose a family BBQ over watching that shower. Lovely weather, nice food, cold beers.
When they start to put some effort in I will go back, until then I'm out.
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| I just don't see that at all.
Some are not very good but that's different.
Godinet was excellent today.
Johnstone probably even better
Owen was pretty good before being taken off, I assume for throwing himself at a ball to stop a try with boots flying on.
Washbrook was his usual self
Dan Smith was very good in the first half too.
There were lots of good things on show and a lot if effort.
Silly mistakes like Smith's pass or Hall just dropping the ball after others had done the hard work to open the defence.
Plenty to put right unfortunately but it was not all rubbish and a lot of those players worked their off.
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| Pt I admire your optimism but it is difficult to give any plaudits to a team almost full of people who give up when the going gets tough. With a few exceptions what is being produced by so called professional rl players is nothing short of disgraceful
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| But they didn't give up. They have done in other games but they didn't today.
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| Quote ="PopTart"But they didn't give up. They have done in other games but they didn't today.'"
If they didn't give up and managed to concede about 36 points in a twenty minute period then I am even more worried. That would just mean they're pure hoop.
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| Quote ="PopTart"But they didn't give up. They have done in other games but they didn't today.'"
Sorry pt they gave up in that 20 mins at start of second half. I think the latter stages of the game were as much to do with leeds putting the cue on the rack as what we did
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"Sorry pt they gave up in that 20 mins at start of second half. I think the latter stages of the game were as much to do with leeds putting the cue on the rack as what we did'"
You can't have it both ways. If you say they gave in when they conceded points then they must have been trying when they scored them.
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| Despite enduring yet more pain, I actually thought quite a lot of the players were hurting too. That was a good sign for me as in several games this season too many of them have looked like it didn't matter to them.
We got 55 minutes of a performance today - an improvement on the 30 minutes against Cas and the 40 against Widnes.
Good news - we can play.
Bad news - we need to do it a lot more often and defend the bits in between better.
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| All the very best for the rest of the season Wakey, but after that performance today Brian Smith got his work cut out...
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| This team major problem is simple, attitude. Quite honestly it stinks right now. All they want to do is play the fancy rugby with the ball in hand but can't be bothered with the hard word, making the hard yards and the tackles. They are just not willing to get involved in the grind. The scoreline flattered us in the end thanks to Leeds putting the cue on the with ten to go when they were a mile in front but anyone with even half a brain can see through that final margin today. They need a rocket up their backsides in the hope that it makes them realise that what they do is a privilage. Change the attitude and we have a chance. Carry on and we will be gone. Good luck Mr Smith.
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| Just what happened to Tim Smith when he took the ball with no-one in front of him? He was like a rabbit caught in a car's headlamps. Perhaps it meant him having to break out into a run, because he had a panic attack and just threw the ball anywhere. Brian Smith definitely has a job on.
My three men of the match today were: 1) Pita Godinet 2) Young Johnston and 3) Dan Smith
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| There's maybe half a dozen in this squad that can be classed as decent players, the rest are just not good enough. Sorry if that shatters a few peoples illusions as to whether we will stay up because we are where we are because we are just rubbish. We are where we are for that reason. Forget fitness, forget attitude and although yes they maybe could be better, it is a lack of ability that is the main issue.
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| Quote ="TRB"Despite enduring yet more pain, I actually thought quite a lot of the players were hurting too. That was a good sign for me as in several games this season too many of them have looked like it didn't matter to them.
We got 55 minutes of a performance today - an improvement on the 30 minutes against Cas and the 40 against Widnes.
Good news - we can play.
Bad news - we need to do it a lot more often and defend the bits in between better.'"
Agreed. First half the defensive line where moving up and putting Leeds under pressure, both Riley and Johnstone (who I thought was excellent) stayed on their wing to prevent walk in scores. Starved of possession for the first 20 -25 minutes of the second half and the same old issues reared their head and the flood gates opened. Some positives to take from the match but a huge amount to work on. An 80 minute performance wouldn't go amiss.
It was great to see what an effective six can do when given the opportunity. If nothing other the signing of Howath has given us Godinet back.
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| Wakey til I die wrote…." Forget fitness, forget attitude and although yes they maybe could be better, it is a lack of ability that is the main issue."
Think this is wrong imo….to me the main problem is mental attitude , After half-time we just weren't ready…..T. Smith was still getting into position so Leeds kicked off to him and ended up with ball…from then on we did not touch it for god knows how long. by then we were down and out. Just shambolic errors…..
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| I did not think that overall it was that bad today. The worry was the 10mins or so when leeds had the ball and we hardly touched it. This is when this team falls apart. they do not know how to step up the hard work in defense to make sure they are not defending on thier line and that they get more ball in hand.
with ball in hand we made several breaks against the team that is top of league. Had we any pace and composure we could have scored a couple more tries. however we then did fall apart when put under pressure. it has been done to us before and i am sure coaches will be telling their players that.
positives from today - Godinet, Johnstone were good. Washbrook was washbrook. Kirmond did a lot of work in defense. and dare i say it - Tim smith looked more comfortable with the ball in hand (until he got the head injury in the first half) and the obvious interception bit. It was smith who was creating the space and making the holes for the players to run into.
Overall today showed we can play if get the ball in attack, we have a soft underbelly and we have no kicking game.
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| Quite enjoyed the 1st half in which we opened Leeds up a few times. Few errors by Hall and one loose pass from Kavanagh really gifted Leeds the initiative.
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| I hope Brian Smith can bring some of our young lads on so next season whatever league we are in and whatever ground we are playing at we have a nucleus of local products to support instead of a bunch of journeymen and cast-off. In Johnston we have a really exciting winger. Crowther and Annakin always give 100 percent. Hopefully Jowitt will get a chance to establish himself soon and maybe he can bring some others through, perhaps Trout will shine at Hunslet and get a new contact. Centre is the real weak spot in the current team. With Collis seemingly gone, Lyne disappointing and Arundel offering little, Hall not interested and Ryan too slow where are we going to suddenly get 2 decent centres from? Oh for the days when we could attract classy centres like ex England Rugby centre Keith Smith (R. I. P)
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"I hope Brian Smith can bring some of our young lads on so next season whatever league we are in and whatever ground we are playing at we have a nucleus of local products to support instead of a bunch of journeymen and cast-off. In Johnston we have a really exciting winger. Crowther and Annakin always give 100 percent. Hopefully Jowitt will get a chance to establish himself soon and maybe he can bring some others through, perhaps Trout will shine at Hunslet and get a new contact. Centre is the real weak spot in the current team. With Collis seemingly gone, Lyne disappointing and Arundel offering little, Hall not interested and Ryan too slow where are we going to suddenly get 2 decent centres from? Oh for the days when we could attract classy centres like ex England Rugby centre Keith Smith (R. I. P)'"
Danny Cowling and Lucas Walshaw?
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| Quote ="Theboyem" The scoreline flattered us in the end thanks to Leeds putting the cue on the with ten to go when they were a mile in front but anyone with even half a brain can see through that final margin today.'"
I can just imagine McDermott's half time team talk, forget the fact we are 18 points in front despite them being as good as us, it's not our fault that the touch judge is not fast enough to keep up with play and is 10 yards behind our winger and could not see that his inside pass was obviously forward, and we still had to score the try when their captain Marvel gave us the chance from one of his fast becoming trade mark penalty's just before half time.
So here's the plan for the second half, they don't respect possession so along with the usual penalties they give away we'll see plenty of the ball, lets blitz them for the first 20 minutes and put 30 or more points on the board, then we'll do it the usual Leeds way and ease off, we'll let them score a few tries, nothing too elaborate though just make them look simple and our defence look ordinary. Is that how you see it as well?
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| Quote ="chissitt"I can just imagine McDermott's half time team talk, forget the fact we are 18 points in front despite them being as good as us, it's not our fault that the touch judge is not fast enough to keep up with play and is 10 yards behind our winger and could not see that his inside pass was obviously forward, and we still had to score the try when their captain Marvel gave us the chance from one of his fast becoming trade mark penalty's just before half time.
So here's the plan for the second half, they don't respect possession so along with the usual penalties they give away we'll see plenty of the ball, lets blitz them for the first 20 minutes and put 30 or more points on the board, then we'll do it the usual Leeds way and ease off, we'll let them score a few tries, nothing too elaborate though just make them look simple and our defence look ordinary. Is that how you see it as well?'"
As i said anybody with even half a brain could see that the three late tries didn't mask what was wrong yesterday.
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| They didn't mask what was wrong. They showed what is good despite the wrong.
It showed we played to the end despite being well beaten
It showed we have players with real skill that can score good tries against top of the league
It showed that if we can fix the many other things we have an entertaining side to watch.
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| Did not go went to get stuff for my other hobby so wasn't back in time but caught the first half on radio sounded like the players gave it a go for the first 25 mins then it started to go the normal way.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"As i said anybody with even half a brain could see that the three late tries didn't mask what was wrong yesterday.'"
I must be one of the unfortunate ones then, because even with my half a brain I thought that those three late tries were brought about through playing good rugby making a normally very good solid defence look ordinary, as against Leeds "putting the cue on the rack" there was nothing wrong yesterday or the week before, that was not wrong for some time now, the difference is yesterday apart from the first 20 minutes in the second half we competed against the league leaders, but lets not dwell on anything positive when we can highlight the negatives.
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