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| johnstone today was a joke ! try to defend ! and as for riley? ffs cas took us to pieces out wide .. total in defence both of them and as for lyne .. that kid is is a coward! as for kirmond ???? we are a joke team and the players dont give a shir!
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| Sorry, I know you're disappointed and probably angry but your post is out of order IMO
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| We could have Ryan Hall and Jason Nightingale on the wings and we still would've been caught outside due to A) fitness B) e form C) a lack of marshalling in defence and many other factors. Yes Johnstone still has a lot to learn but he is only 19 FFS and I agree with Avenger your post is OTT in that regard. Agree with your points on the other players though.
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| Quote ="Willzay"We could have Ryan Hall and Jason Nightingale on the wings and we still would've been caught outside due to A) fitness B) poop form C) a lack of marshalling in defence and many other factors. Yes Johnstone still has a lot to learn but he is only 19 FFS and I agree with Avenger your post is OTT in that regard. Agree with your points on the other players though.'" As negative and as annoyed as I have been and can be, I think we all need to calm down a bit or we are as bad as the headless chickens we are criticising..that is the problem..one or 2 things go wrong and they implode! Can we have a coach please?
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| Carney chose his try as a highlight of the weekend and said at 19 years old and with his physique he has the ability to go far in SL. He added that bigger clubs are likely to hunt him. I thought in difficult circumstances he did his best and we can ask no more than that
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| Only the brush off he took from Shenton to be embarrassed about. Should have been in the team for weeks and maybe he would hbe more up to Super League speed.
How the hell that waster on the other wing keeps getting picked is the bigger issue.
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| Quote ="tamargrace"johnstone today was a joke ! try to defend ! and as for riley? ffs cas took us to pieces out wide .. total poop in defence both of them and as for lyne .. that kid is is a coward! as for kirmond ???? we are a joke team and the players dont give a shir!'"
If I felt like that I'd stop supporting and never post on here again.
Well miss you but understand your feelings.
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| Tom Johnstone is great in attack and poor in defence. His defence can be worked on.
He was one of a very few players who looked interested yesterday, and his effort can't be faulted.
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| We need to remember he is only 19 and still has much to learn. He has shown a lot of promise with ball in hand but a few frailties defensively, but nothing that can't be improved. At this level he will now get targetted so given he would be up against one of the best this week in Ryan Hall i would be tempted to leave him out of this one, work intensely on his defence for a couple of weeks then bring him back in for the salford game. We have to be careful not to destroy his confidence early on by making sure he is managed correctly.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"We need to remember he is only 19 and still has much to learn. He has shown a lot of promise with ball in hand but a few frailties defensively, but nothing that can't be improved. At this level he will now get targetted so given he would be up against one of the best this week in Ryan Hall i would be tempted to leave him out of this one, work intensely on his defence for a couple of weeks then bring him back in for the salford game. We have to be careful not to destroy his confidence early on by making sure he is managed correctly.'"
Pretty much what we said yesterday, spot on IMO.
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| Apart from when Shenton fended him off and him and Owen went for the same high ball he didn't do too much wrong. I would be more worried about the other edge of Miller Lyne and Riley who are all extremely poor defenders and show no aggression.
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| Johnstone is a young kid with bags of potential. He should develop into a very good RL player. The trouble is he needs work and coaching and he isn't going to get that our club with the backroom staff that we have at the moment.
OK you may say when Brian Smith comes he will turn things around, well I am not so sure. That shambles I saw yesterday looks too big a job for one man to do in the short space of time he has been given to do it.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Johnstone is a young kid with bags of potential. He should develop into a very good RL player. The trouble is he needs work and coaching and he isn't going to get that our club with the backroom staff that we have at the moment.
OK you may say when Brian Smith comes he will turn things around, well I am not so sure. That shambles I saw yesterday looks too big a job for one man to do in the short space of time he has been given to do it.'"
Correct.
Simply not enough time for Smith - a huge amount depends on how "Senior Players" LOL react. As for the back room staff - sack who needs to be sacked ASAP.
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| Cant blame Johnstone for his centre coming to far infield and leaving him with to many players to defend against and its been like that with all the wingers on that side.The lads only just made the team and is young but you can see he will be a top class winger in the future.
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| Looks a cracking young prospect... A raw talent.. Plenty of time to get the detail right. Hope his future is at Wakefield not at one of the predators like Huddersfield and Warrington!
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| Quote ="vastman"Correct.
Simply not enough time for Smith - a huge amount depends on how "Senior Players" LOL react. As for the back room staff - sack who needs to be sacked ASAP.'"
I agree about the lack of time, the best we can hope for is that he mangages to kick some backsides and drag some desire out of them that has been missing for a long time. Nobody will be getting sacked though, Carter has said he will be working with the existing backroom staff.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"I agree about the lack of time, the best we can hope for is that he mangages to kick some backsides and drag some desire out of them that has been missing for a long time. Nobody will be getting sacked though, Carter has said he will be working with the existing backroom staff.'"
I think Brian Smith could make him see otherwise. Can't see Smith hanging around if he doesn't get his way. Be utterly foolish of MC to not back him considering his experience, the thing MC signed him for.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"I agree about the lack of time, the best we can hope for is that he mangages to kick some backsides and drag some desire out of them that has been missing for a long time. Nobody will be getting sacked though, Carter has said he will be working with the existing backroom staff.'"
Well if he intends to stick by that he may as well tell Brian Smith to stay in Aus and save himself some money.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Well if he intends to stick by that he may as well tell Brian Smith to stay in Aus and save himself some money.'"
Agreed, we definitely require a quality assistant and a conditioner who understands modern methods
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Agreed, we definitely require a quality assistant and a conditioner who understands modern methods'"
We sure do but going by what Carter said on radio leeds it won't be this season. Any changes will likely be at the end of the season and probably dependant on what divison we are in.
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| having appointed Smith M C needs to let him get on with the job as he sees fit, and I would have thought that its probably been agreed.
Yes Smith will have his work cut out but I see no reason why he will not sort issues out. The players need to get a grip and take responsibility , any player and I repeat any player found lacking should be shown the door and quickly.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"We sure do but going by what Carter said on radio leeds it won't be this season. Any changes will likely be at the end of the season and probably dependant on what divison we are in.'"
Come on Carter won't have much say - if Smith wants someone out they are gone.
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| Quote ="vastman"Come on Carter won't have much say - if Smith wants someone out they are gone.'"
Carter will have all the say. The backroom staff all have contracts and all would need payouts and the money isn't there for that. The best would be a a short term addition on top and a sidelining of the current staff but it would have to be someone currently out of work as who who give up a job for a 4 month role here?
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| The lad is the first I have seen who has the physique and pace to make it. I know he made mistakes but that was more to do with him trying too hard.
I am certain he will be very much in demand with the usual suspects monitoring the situation.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Carter will have all the say. The backroom staff all have contracts and all would need payouts and the money isn't there for that. The best would be a a short term addition on top and a sidelining of the current staff but it would have to be someone currently out of work as who who give up a job for a 4 month role here?'"
If and it's an if Smith finds say Clawson to be totally incapable of doing the and as such making it impossible for Smith to do his do you really think he'll keep Clawson. Will he nelly he'll do as Smith asks because if he doesn't Smith will not hang around, doesn't need to and has a long history of doing just that.
Finally I doubt very much that Clawson has a contract as such, I suspect he is an employee plain and simple and can be sacked or got rid of as easy as any employee can. However neither of us know that for certain and let's not pretend we do. I'm not condoning it but just seen 4 staff made redundant and two freelancers got rid off and their so called 12 month contracts terminated with immediate effect. All done by the companies HR man who tied all the Union Reps and the odd Solicitor in knots - quite impressive in an evil kind of way,
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