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| Im sorry but on what grounds is Keinhorst in the squad instead of Walshaw? Young talented Wakey product replaced by a average Leeds loanee, dont get it!
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| You know the situation of Walshaw? He was injured for the past 2 weeks as was stated by the club. He may need some extra time for recovery. Give it a rest..
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Im sorry but on what grounds is Keinhorst in the squad instead of Walshaw ?'"
He's not injured ? .....just a wild stab in the dark .
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| How can he say he's average, when he has only played for 2 minutes'. Why not wait until after Friday night to judge him, instead of jumping in and making a pr@t of yourself.
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| I didn't no WaLshaw was injured, just thought Reece Lynn was preffered. If injured then fair enough.
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| That still does not answer the question, how do you know that Kleinhorst is average based on the game time he has had at BV. You must see something that McDermott at Leeds can't seeing as he was only ever coming to us on loan.
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| Quote ="chissitt"That still does not answer the question, how do you know that Kleinhorst is average based on the game time he has had at BV. You must see something that McDermott at Leeds can't seeing as he was only ever coming to us on loan.'"
He's with us to gain SL game time because he's not good enough for a regular spot in Leed's first team, yet.
IF Walshaw was fit, he should play, if not, then Jimmy will get the gig.
Personally, I'd stick with Ryan (again if he's fit).
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"He's with us to gain SL game time because he's not good enough for a regular spot in Leed's first team, yet.
IF Walshaw was fit, he should play, if not, then Jimmy will get the gig.
Personally, I'd stick with Ryan (again if he's fit).'"
Yes this!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"He's with us to gain SL game time because he's not good enough for a regular spot in Leed's first team, yet.
IF Walshaw was fit, he should play, if not, then Jimmy will get the gig.
Personally, I'd stick with Ryan (again if he's fit).'"
I must be mistaken then because at the start of the season we were short of players' and McDermott loaned us Kleinhorst to help us out and to get him more SL experience. He has played in the Leeds first team despite not being good enough, your words not mine and his problem is that chose which position you play him at the likelihood is there will either an English international or a top aussie in front of him, which is hardly the same as not being good enough. Personally I'm not fussed who plays I prefer to leave that sort of thing to the professional (the coach) he who gets paid for the job in hand and has the most knowledge on a day to day basis. The whole point of my response to the OP was that how do does he know if he's average, not having seen him play and to just dismiss him because he prefers Walshaw proves once again he knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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| Walshaw was in the 19 man squad last week and nowhere does it say he is injured this week (although i suppose he might have a 'calf injury'), just replaced in the squad by Keinhorst, a guy who appears to have glass hamstrings and played most of his rugby last year for Hunslet. If Lucas is actually injured then fair enough but i hope he hasn't just been overlooked as i personally think at this stage he would have been the better bet.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Walshaw was in the 19 man squad last week and nowhere does it say he is injured this week (although i suppose he might have a 'calf injury'), just replaced in the squad by Keinhorst, a guy who appears to have glass hamstrings and played most of his rugby last year for Hunslet. If Lucas is actually injured then fair enough but i hope he hasn't just been overlooked as i personally think at this stage he would have been the better bet.'"
At the risk of being perceived as Keinhorst/Kleinhorst agent, your sarcasm does you little credit re glass hamstrings as far as I can remember he only played the one game, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong so he must have been very unlucky to have pulled multiple glass hamstrings' in that game, oh and if Walshaw is not injured then then clearly Webbo's opinion does not agree with yours, I personally would also have liked to have Walshaw play instead of him, but I'll rely on Webster's selection.
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| Quote ="chissitt"At the risk of being perceived as Keinhorst/Kleinhorst agent, your sarcasm does you little credit re glass hamstrings as far as I can remember he only played the one game, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong so he must have been very unlucky to have pulled multiple glass hamstrings' in that game, oh and if Walshaw is not injured then then clearly Webbo's opinion does not agree with yours, I personally would also have liked to have Walshaw play instead of him, but I'll rely on Webster's selection.'"
Happy to correct you, he's played twice and has yet to go beyond 15 minutes, going off both times with the same injury.
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| Quote ="chissitt"At the risk of being perceived as Keinhorst/Kleinhorst agent, your sarcasm does you little credit re glass hamstrings as far as I can remember he only played the one game, I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong so he must have been very unlucky to have pulled multiple glass hamstrings' in that game, oh and if Walshaw is not injured then then clearly Webbo's opinion does not agree with yours, I personally would also have liked to have Walshaw play instead of him, but I'll rely on Webster's selection.'"
AFAIK he's played in two and done his hamstring both times about 15 minutes into the game.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I must be mistaken then because at the start of the season we were short of players' and McDermott loaned us Kleinhorst to help us out and to get him more SL experience. He has played in the Leeds first team despite not being good enough, your words not mine and his problem is that chose which position you play him at the likelihood is there will either an English international or a top aussie in front of him, which is hardly the same as not being good enough. Personally I'm not fussed who plays I prefer to leave that sort of thing to the professional (the coach) he who gets paid for the job in hand and has the most knowledge on a day to day basis. The whole point of my response to the OP was that how do does he know if he's average, not having seen him play and to just dismiss him because he prefers Walshaw proves once again he knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.'"
I'm pleased that you rate the lad so highly and it's certainly easier to look good when making appearances for a top 4 team, than it is in a bottom half team.
Although it was good of Leeds to loan us a couple of players, they were "surplus" to Leeds' requirements at that time and have not been recalled (notwithstanding any injuries of course)
The point that I was making is that, IF we re not seeking to sign Keinhorst then, we should be playing our own players and getting our own regulars used to the new coach's systems AND Walshaw had been playing his best RL until his injury.
Of course the coach will pick who the hell he wants and he wont give a hoot about comments on here but, the forum is usually for expressing opinions and the 2 lads on loan from Leeds have shown very little since coming here and Walshaw has been busting a gut.
Therefore, it would be harsh on Lucas not to get a spot IF e is fit.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I'm pleased that you rate the lad so highly and it's certainly easier to look good when making appearances for a top 4 team, than it is in a bottom half team.
Although it was good of Leeds to loan us a couple of players, they were "surplus" to Leeds' requirements at that time and have not been recalled (notwithstanding any injuries of course)
The point that I was making is that, IF we re not seeking to sign Keinhorst then, we should be playing our own players and getting our own regulars used to the new coach's systems AND Walshaw had been playing his best RL until his injury.
Of course the coach will pick who the hell he wants and he wont give a hoot about comments on here but, the forum is usually for expressing opinions and the 2 lads on loan from Leeds have shown very little since coming here and Walshaw has been busting a gut.
Therefore, it would be harsh on Lucas not to get a spot IF e is fit.'"
Firstly I don't rate the lad at all, I have only seen him play for a few minutes' in one game,
so it would be difficult to base an opinion on that. I agree with you about Walshaw playing before him as I have already said in a previous post, I just did not agree with the way that OP dismissed a player as average when he was injured playing for our club and since his injury has not had an opportunity to prove himself, it would appear through my previous posts' that I have come on here singing his praises which was not my intention.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"Happy to correct you, he's played twice and has yet to go beyond 15 minutes, going off both times with the same injury.'"
Quote ="Khlav Kalash"AFAIK he's played in two and done his hamstring both times about 15mins into the game.'"
Shows how much I know about him and his flaming hamstrings'.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Firstly I don't rate the lad at all, I have only seen him play for a few minutes' in one game,
so it would be difficult to base an opinion on that. I agree with you about Walshaw playing before him as I have already said in a previous post, I just did not agree with the way that OP dismissed a player as average when he was injured playing for our club and since his injury has not had an opportunity to prove himself, it would appear through my previous posts' that I have come on here singing his praises which was not my intention.'"
No worries mate, the most important thing is that whoever gets the nod from Webster, puts in a shift and we give The Rhinos a good dig and maybe, just maybe, we can sneak a win
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| Good luck to Keinhorst if he plays I hope he has a great game which at the moment can only be good for WTW this season:
We all know that Walshaw is a super league quality centre/second row who can develop his passing/off load game further( for his winger if at centre). It's a no brainer and he should get a 2 year deal at WTW. We also need to retain Lynne but maybe that's for another thread.....
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Good luck to Keinhorst if he plays I hope he has a great game which at the moment can only be good for WTW this season:
We all know that Walshaw is a super league quality centre/second row who can develop his passing/off load game further( for his winger if at centre). It's a no brainer and he should get a 2 year deal at WTW. We also need to retain Lynne but maybe that's for another thread.....
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I understand we are trying to retain Walshaw but his Agent is doing his best to get him a deal elsewhere.
I'd like to keep him but it comes down to how much the Club is prepared and can afford to pay and how much he may be offered elsewhere but as I say, I hope he is with us next year.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I understand we are trying to retain Walshaw but his Agent is doing his best to get him a deal elsewhere.
I'd like to keep him but it comes down to how much the Club is prepared and can afford to pay and how much he may be offered elsewhere but as I say, I hope he is with us next year.'"
Would his agent be Mr Shuttleworth ?
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I understand we are trying to retain Walshaw but his Agent is doing his best to get him a deal elsewhere.
I'd like to keep him but it comes down to how much the Club is prepared and can afford to pay and how much he may be offered elsewhere but as I say, I hope he is with us next year.'"
Can't say I'd blame him for going elsewhere.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Would his agent be Mr Shuttleworth ?'"
I was thinking the same thing. If it is we have no chance of hanging onto Walshaw.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Can't say I'd blame him for going elsewhere.'"
He'll probably end up at Huddersfield. Most of our players do.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Would his agent be Mr Shuttleworth ?'"
I believe so.
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| If we lose him it'll probably be due to a reluctance to play him in previous seasons. He was fortunate that an injury crisis gave him a shot but if he hadn't played brilliantly we know he'd have been dropped asap by Agar.
Walshaw needs to be playing near enough week in week out and does he truly believe that he'll get that under Webster. It's a crossroads, the likes of Wildie and Annakin will also face
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