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| when is the appeal date for the bulls
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| cheers ,wildwoman
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| rumour is Bulls players told prior to Sundays game they getting points back , four I think it is ....time will tell. Anyone know what time the announcement will be ?
FWIW I believe we should have won a couple more games with a bit more effort ...but still a long way to go...big final push from players n fans alike is what is needed. Get behind Webster et al #WTID
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| Quote ="feline"rumour is Bulls players told prior to Sundays game they getting points back , four I think it is ....time will tell. Anyone know what time the announcement will be ?
FWIW I believe we should have won a couple more games with a bit more effort ...but still a long way to go...big final push from players n fans alike is what is needed. Get behind Webster et al #WTID'"
it stinks if true I'm ready to walk away from the game and just watch amateur
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| Me too dont want to follow a sport were corruption seems to be the norm and smallerw clubs are left to rot.
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| Quote ="feline"rumour is Bulls players told prior to Sundays game they getting points back , four I think it is ....time will tell. Anyone know what time the announcement will be ?
FWIW I believe we should have won a couple more games with a bit more effort ...but still a long way to go...big final push from players n fans alike is what is needed. Get behind Webster et al #WTID'"
Can't wait to hear the explanation for the decision if true, because I for the life of me cannot see what was "force majeure" about their situation.
No other basis for appeal has been mentioned, unless they have decided it's worth paying creditors off to try and stay up. However, even then would have thought only 2 points would be due back
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| Quote ="feline"rumour is Bulls players told prior to Sundays game they getting points back , four I think it is ....time will tell. Anyone know what time the announcement will be ?
FWIW I believe we should have won a couple more games with a bit more effort ...but still a long way to go...big final push from players n fans alike is what is needed. Get behind Webster et al #WTID'"
Heard this too off a friend of mine but not sure if its reliable and I hope its not.
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| Do people actually believe this rubbish?
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Do people actually believe this rubbish?'"
Yes. Everything is bent.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Do people actually believe this rubbish?'"
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Do people actually believe this rubbish?'"
Why not?
Lots of your fans seem to believe that administration was unavoidable and unforeseeable. That's far more far-fetched than a belief that the RFL have a vested interest in keeping you up.
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| I'd like to know where these rumours of getting points back are coming from as it's supposed to be an independent panel that has not yet made a decision.
If Bradford do get 4 points back after rumours of the players being told this, something stinks!
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| Quote ="PopTart"No'"
It may or may not turn out to be rubbish, but I have heard it directly from a Snr pro in the game and also know it has been quoted by a senior RL journo. They are 2 sources more likely to know than I am.
IF that is the outcome, then it would beg allsorts of questions!
I tell it as a rumour, for that's all it is, but we know that rumours can turn out to be true and I have heard enough over the years to know which ones to consider and which ones are just false. This one sits right on the fence for me - I genuinely hope its wrong, but the sources are very strong!
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| I'm totally confident that we'll get all 6 points back, due to irregularities with the process of the initial punishment.
Then the RFL will have a think, realise that the original punishment was to BB2014, which of course, doesn't exist.
Then apply a new 4 point punishment to Mark Moore's holding company BBNL, which does follow the process correctly.
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| Why would the RFL want to be found to have acted unfairly by the independent panel?
And for those who were wanting to know those on the panel...
The panel includes Bill Broughton and Chris Booth, who are partners at Leeds-based legal firm Pinsent Mason, and James Sleight, an insolvency practitioner.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"I'd like to know where these rumours of getting points back are coming from as it's supposed to be an independent panel that has not yet made a decision.'"
Well two people in this thread have spread the rumours' just in case you have not read the whole of this thread they are TRB who has heard it from 2 of his mates one a senior pro in the game, and the other a journalist, Feline heard it prior to Sunday's game but does not remember whether she thinks they will get four points back or that it came with the rumour she heard prior to the game. I like you believed the panel or whatever they are do not sit until today so unless they have been on the phone to each other prior to today and also leaking the outcome to TRB and Feline's mates I personally will wait until its formally released, unless of course they are reading from a pre written script from the RFL, which I suppose could be the case with nearly everybody and his dog knowing the outcome already, I'm going to say two points on the basis that if I'm right I too can say I am in the know.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Well two people in this thread have spread the rumours' just in case you have not read the whole of this thread they are TRB who has heard it from 2 of his mates one a senior pro in the game, and the other a journalist, Feline heard it prior to Sunday's game but does not remember whether she thinks they will get four points back or that it came with the rumour she heard prior to the game. I like you believed the panel or whatever they are do not sit until today so unless they have been on the phone to each other prior to today and also leaking the outcome to TRB and Feline's mates I personally will wait until its formally released, unless of course they are reading from a pre written script from the RFL, which I suppose could be the case with nearly everybody and his dog knowing the outcome already, I'm going to say two points on the basis that if I'm right I too can say I am in the know.'"
My own prediction, certainly prior to hearing from those 2 sources, was a good old compromise and 2 points back. I make it clear that I only know rumours and I hope that they are wrong.
Whatever the outcome, there is no way that these guys will meet without a) having done some homework and b) speaking to each other. It would naïve to think otherwise. That's not to say they have pre-judged the outcome - or shouldn't have, but then I don't know who is presenting what information to them and how much what happens on the day can or will influence the outcome. They may have an idea beforehand which is then altered by the days events.
As with most matchdays these days, I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst!
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| TRB if you are quoting two individuals (who claim to know, and could conceivably be in the know) who are stating it as a fact then IMO it ceases to be a rumour.
That brings up the question, how might they know?
A decision by independent people, in a meeting that has not conveined, how can they possibly know the outcome of such a meeting that has not met?
As ever, if proven true this raises more questions than answers.
I wonder if these "senior" individuals are prepared to qualify there comments formaly, or just spread it around in the public domain where it can cause a bit of controversy?
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| Quote ="kinleycat"TRB if you are quoting two individuals (who claim to know, and could conceivably be in the know) who are stating it as a fact then IMO it ceases to be a rumour.
That brings up the question, how might they know?
A decision by independent people, in a meeting that has not conveined, how can they possibly know the outcome of such a meeting that has not met?
As ever, if proven true this raises more questions than answers.
I wonder if these "senior" individuals are prepared to qualify there comments formaly, or just spread it around in the public domain where it can cause a bit of controversy?'"
IF there is to be no return of points, the whole of the RL world (including many from Wakefield) are getting very excited over nothing.
As things stand Bradford are still 6 points adrift of Wakefield with 12 game to go and though they are improving slightly (a win against us certainly doesn't make them world beaters), without any return of points, they wont catch either Wakefield or Salford.
However, with so much talk in the RL media, IMO there seems little doubt that thy will have 2 points(min) an probably 4 points returned.
The independent panel will have a hell of a job untangling the mess that surrounds the Bulls admin situation and the influence of the RFL's involvement and IF the Bulls are not happy with the outcome, will there be grounds for a further appeal AND are the implications of the "guidance" given to Wakefield relevant to the appeal (ie admin = relegation).
Ultimately the Bulls seem to be on a no lose "gamble" despte dragging themselves and the sport through the crapper.
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| If they get the full 6 points back how will Koukash react? He's been pretty quiet about the whole situation but considering his team would only be 1 point ahead of Bradford and with both due to meet in the next round of the league, I'd expect he'd have something to say, in fact he'd have a lot to say!
It's going to be an interesting fortnight.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"If they get the full 6 points back how will Koukash react? He's been pretty quiet about the whole situation but considering his team would only be 1 point ahead of Bradford and with both due to meet in the next round of the league, I'd expect he'd have something to say, in fact he'd have a lot to say!
It's going to be an interesting fortnight.'"
I cannot see Salford complaining. Its a straight battle between WTW and Bulls. Salford did'nt go into administration either.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"
However, with so much talk in the RL media, IMO there seems little doubt that thy will have 2 points(min) an probably 4 points returned.'"
Other than a complete guess. just what do you base your opinion on, because from what I have seen and heard everyone in the RL media all have different opinions, which makes the majority of them clueless just like me and a lot more on here and the Bulls board.
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